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<p> Is this the same Aetius that defeated Atilla?<br>
Le<br>
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From: "Wolfgang Franz" <<a href="mailto:wolfgang.franz%40vr-web.de">wolfgang.franz@<wbr>vr-web.de</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>><br>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:35 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Re: Arain Christian influence on Islam<br>
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I think it can't be emphazised often enough: Arius did not deny the divinity<br>
of the Christ. For Arius Christ was created before creation but in time. But<br>
the Christ (the logos) was created. And this is the difference to the rest <br>
of<br>
christianity: That He was created while in the creed of Nicaia He is<br>
procreated. In Arius' opinion the logos was god second class but god<br>
nevertheless.<br>
<br>
What you describe is adoptianism, condemned always when it came around in <br>
the<br>
early church. In the course of the bitter struggle about the trinity after<br>
the council of Nicaia some radical arianists (Aetius) became adoptianists as<br>
well. But the original Arius was not.<br>
<br>
Wulfila was even more towards the orthodox nicaian church. It looks that he<br>
was arian by accident only. When he was consecrated bishop arianism was the<br>
leading party in the east. And afterwards Wulfila was too straightforward to<br>
change his mind.<br>
<br>
Am Samstag, 31. März 2007 07:00 schrieb Le Bateman:<br>
> I am just thinking about the similarity in the belief Jesus was born of <br>
> a<br>
> virgin, but not divine. This was the teaching of Arius. All of the Church<br>
> fathers including Ireneus, who was the disciple of Polycarp, who is said <br>
> to<br>
> be John The Beloved Disciple. All of them taught that Arianism was a<br>
> heretical sect. Muhammad lived in the 6th Century, and died at the time<br>
> that Redwald King of East Anglia died in 632 A.D. So he would have<br>
> encountered the Monks who live in the Sinai.<br>
> They have a monastery on Mount Sinia. Or somewhere on the Sinai or Arabian<br>
> Peninsula. I am thinking of the Greek Orthodox monks. I also believe the<br>
> Coptic Christians of Egypt were around as well. So they were around. It is<br>
> possible he did come incontact with him. The Quran does call these and the<br>
> Jews Unbelievers. So he was aware of them. I will have to reread the <br>
> Quran.<br>
> Le<br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Baira" <<a href="mailto:baira_bear%40yahoo.com">baira_bear@yahoo.<wbr>com</a>><br>
> To: <<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:07 AM<br>
> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Arain Christian influence on Islam<br>
><br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@.<wbr>..> wrote:<br>
> > Does anyone know if there was a strong Arian influence on Islam.<br>
><br>
> They both<br>
><br>
> > seemed to view Jesus as important, but not devine as the Orthodox<br>
><br>
> faith.<br>
><br>
> > Could Mohammed have known the followers of Ulfius.I probably have the<br>
> > Bishop's name spelled wrong.<br>
> > Le<br>
><br>
> It is very, very doubtful. Many historians of the Islamic religion<br>
> believe that Mohammad was personally acquainted with the Jewish<br>
> religion but not with the Christian one, which he knew just by<br>
> hearsay. If so, it was highly unlikely that he knew the beliefs of a<br>
> 'heretical' sect.<br>
><br>
> In Islamic religion Jesus is a prophet, just like Moses and Abraham.<br>
> The greatest of the prophets before Mohammed, but a prophet, nothing<br>
> more and nothing less.<br>
><br>
> Besides, if you are not a Christian you will not only never accept the<br>
> divine nature of Jesus, but you will not even pose yourself the question.<br>
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