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<p>I've updated editing to group members. Be nice. But I think a document<br>
will be better for finality.<br>
I would exhort some member (Llama Nom?) to take charge in unifying the<br>
format and making a list in .doc or txt form, maybe a PDF too, and<br>
keeping it updated on the files page in yahoogroups. Update after a<br>
good number of additions / corrections are recorded, at least at the<br>
beginning of every month or two.<br>
<br>
As long as one clear system (e.g. by one editor) is used we should all<br>
be able to get out of it what we wish. I see no reason for deviating<br>
from accepted transliteration practice except perhaps if to clarify<br>
the nature of a "ggw". I think reference should also be made in this<br>
list or database to the extant Gothic lexicon, where existing words<br>
may overlap in meanings, or perhaps even where synonyms or antonyms<br>
exist. As you create words, it may be helpful to cite (by "cf.") other<br>
Germanic instances such as in ON or OHG. Referring to "cognates" in NG<br>
and WG both would be especially significant.<br>
<br>
-Th.<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Can that be set up so that multiple users can edit the same file? And<br>
> how easy is it to convert to other formats (e.g. if someone wanted to<br>
> make a text file, a Word document, or a PDF of it)? If there's no<br>
> problem on those fronts, it sounds like a fine idea to me.<br>
> <br>
> We also need to agree on abbreviations, how declensions and verb-types<br>
> are marked. I would suggest for nouns, following your example in the<br>
> existing database, as far as you've marked the declension, but<br>
> consistently giving full information for each entry, e.g.<br>
> <br>
> ma. masculine a-stem<br>
> non. neuter on-stem<br>
> fc. feminine consonant-stem<br>
> <br>
> Probably no need to mark regular irregularities such as the feminine<br>
> deverbal nouns in -eins, fi. And since this is a list of neologisms,<br>
> I don't suppose we'll have to worry about unpredictable irregularities<br>
> like 'haims', fi. (fo. in plural).<br>
> <br>
> We could follow the example of Mitchell and Robinson's A Guide to Old<br>
> English and mark weak verbs with Arabic numeral and strong with Roman<br>
> numerals. Most of the time it's clear from the form how the verb is<br>
> to be conjugated, but not always, so worth marking them all, I think.<br>
> <br>
> ga-geigan, 3.<br>
> <br>
> I would suggest separating prefixes with hyphens for the sake of<br>
clarity.<br>
> <br>
> To save on typing, forms where final 'þ' (thorn) becomes 'd' before<br>
> the vowels of inflections could be cited thus: stads, mi. But if it's<br>
> felt that that might be confusing to people unaware of the grammar,<br>
> any noun or adjective with a final 'þ' or 'f' should have some further<br>
> clarification of whether this changes in inflection, e.g. staþs (d),<br>
> mi.; aiþs (þ), ma.<br>
> <br>
> How do people feel about special letters? Is it wise to continue the<br>
> practice of using 'y' for 'þ' (th) and 'v' for hv (hw)? How about<br>
> marking the difference between, áu, ái : aú, aí? Should we mark these<br>
> with acute accents in the traditional way, or ignore the distinction,<br>
> or mark them in some other way. Since the short versions of these<br>
> vowels are rarer, any special marking could be applied just to those<br>
> without loss of clarity. Likewise long vowels: þúhtus, yu:htus, or<br>
> some such...? If hyphens are being used to separate elements of<br>
> compounds, then there would be no ambiguity with using 'th' and 'hw'.<br>
> The main thing is to agree on a standard in advance, and (if several<br>
> people are able to update the database) probably make a file of<br>
> guidelines, in case the policy isn't obvious from previous examples.<br>
> <br>
> LN<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Would it be impossible to work with the yahoogroups database tool? We<br>
> > have as you may know a database there, which however hasn't been<br>
> > updated in a while.<br>
> > <br>
> > We could also keep an updated database file oon the gothic-l files<br>
> > page. Amendments could be proposed and a new version made every so<br>
> often.<br>
> > <br>
> > Somewhere I have a list of older neologisms from the early days of the<br>
> > list. It might be a useful task to cull all the neologisms from the<br>
> > list history and compile them for review. Any enthusiastic members<br>
> > with lots of time on their hands?<br>
> > <br>
> > -Th.<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > Is there some way we could create a database / wordlist that can be<br>
> > > conveniently edited online by all interested parties? Something<br>
like<br>
> > > Wikipedia. Is there something in Google tools that would let us do<br>
> > > that? The advantage, if this is possible, would be that the project<br>
> > > wouldn't get held up if one person was unable to work on it for a<br>
> > > while. A potential disadvantage might be that it could get<br>
chaotic if<br>
> > > there were disagreements. Maybe we could get around that if anyone<br>
> > > altering someone else's suggestion make a note of the reason, and<br>
> > > perhaps consult first with the group.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Justïn <justinelf@> wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Freþureik,<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > I'm anxiously awaiting the new list. Should we begin a post or a<br>
> > > > discussion board wherein we agree on or discuss amending<br>
neologisms<br>
> > > > and then create a unanimous, "officiated" list? I'm not proposing<br>
> > > > that we are the end-all of the Gothic language, but I think we<br>
would<br>
> > > > all appreciate knowing that we can pull neologisms from one list,<br>
> > > > knowing that that list has passed before academic types as picky<br>
> about<br>
> > > > these words as we are. Does this make sense?<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Please voice questions, concerns, comments and criticisms. I'm<br>
> > > > anxious to hear what others think, especially if they have better<br>
> > ideas!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
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