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<p>> biology: libainileisei (fem. i-st.)<br>
<br>
Wouldn't it be wise to (re-)construct at once whole word families<br>
rather than single words in cases like "biology" etc what is<br>
then "biologist" or "biological"<wbr>? Afaik our only attestation of<br>
leis is lubjaleisai (pl.) which is an adjective glossing liutai in<br>
2. Tim. 3:13 PONHROI DE ANQRWPOI KAI GOHTES iŝ ubilai mannans jah<br>
liutai. I wonder if it could correspond to Greek noun FARMAKOLOGOI.<br>
But how are you to form a word for, say, "biologist"?<br>
Substantivizing the adjective (i.e. lit. "a biological one")? And,<br>
since leis is not attested as an analogue of Greek LOGOS resp.<br>
LOGIKOS, could it also be Go. kunŝi as a second element in names<br>
of sciences, after German and Dutch kunde? In which case "biology"<br>
could be qiu-kunŝi (not to form a compound with a eins noun since<br>
they are not known, and Go. qius etymologically = Greek<br>
BIOS), "biologist" qiu-kunŝja M.an, "biological" qiu-kunŝeigs<br>
or qiu-kunŝisks.<br>
<br>
I think it would be better to use only one ending word. Kunŝi might <br>
work, but I prefer leisei.<br>
This can be changed to fasteis like tugglaleisei = astronomy, <br>
tugglafasteis = astronomer.<br>
<br>
> dictator: ainaragineis (masc. ja-st.)<br>
> dictatorship: ainaragini (neut. ja-st.)<br>
<br>
Isn't it more to "monarchy" or "autocracy"? cf. fidurragini for<br>
TETRARCOUNTOS, actually for *TETRARCIA. What difference is there<br>
between "dictator" and "autocrator" resp. "monarch" (sorry for a<br>
stupid question)? Is the language expected to distinguish them in<br>
some way?<br>
<br>
Yes, you're probably right. Gotta think about this.<br>
<br>
> geography: stadileisei (fem. n-st.)<br>
<br>
gaiografia (gaiografus geographer", gaiografikeins/<wbr>-<br>
grafisks geographical"<wbr>)? Calqued airŝa-meleins (airŝa-meljands<br>
cons. st., and what's the adjective?)?<br>
<br>
Since geography is knowledge about where places are I think it should <br>
be told by the name. A claque won't do that I think.<br>
<br>
> library: bokaheiŝ (neut. a-st.)<br>
<br>
What is -heiŝ?<br>
<br>
I've been looking for a word to use here and the only one I found was <br>
pgmc hîŝam in <a href="http://www.koeblergerhard.de/germwbhinw.html.">http://www.koeblerg<wbr>erhard.de/<wbr>germwbhinw.<wbr>html.</a><br>
This is translated to german 'Lager'.<br>
<br>
> music: drunjulists (fem. i-st.)<br>
<br>
Isn't lists attested for something bad?<br>
<br>
Maybe, I was thinking of icelandic hljómalist.<br>
<br>
> drunjus seems to have as much vocal association as saggweis, though<br>
the latter has been shown in sense of "vocal music". Is there a more<br>
neutral "noise" or "sound" word?<br>
<br>
I havent found any good word here. Maybe I should change it to <br>
hliuma. I know that this might be even worse, but it would be more <br>
similar to icelandic.<br>
<br>
> cheese: justs (masc. a-st.)<br>
<br>
Also the Latin borrowing (at least for hard cheese)= *kaseis ?<br>
<br>
These words should maybe have different meanings. Kaseis for hard <br>
cheese and justs for smth else, like cottage cheese?<br>
<br>
> factory: waurkismiŝjo (fem. n-st.)<br>
<br>
Or, waurki-staŝs, waurki-gards, &c.?<br>
<br>
Yes. I used smiŝjo because I have used gasmiŝjo for production and <br>
gasmiŝjon for produce.<br>
<br>
> deer: hairuts (masc. a-st.)<br>
<br>
Good. Another one is *ráiha, man.; *ráiho, fon.<br>
<br>
Wouldn't this be roe deer?<br>
<br>
> smoke: raukjan (wv.1)<br>
<br>
Yes, this would be the transitive form. The intransitive would be the<br>
strong verb *riukan II.<br>
<br>
I was thinking a little in the way to use it as in swedish.<br>
riukan is the same as sw. ryka and raukjan would be the same as röka.<br>
Raukjan would be used as to smoke a cigarette.<br>
<br>
> squirrel: aiqairna (masc. n-st.)<br>
<br>
Maybe, or could it possibly be *aik-waírna, man.? Fick-Falk-Torp<br>
refers to *aik- "oak", but says not directly from this word. And is<br>
it any relation to widuwaírna "orphan"?<br>
<br>
I guess it's just a later association with aik but -(w)airna could be <br>
the same as in widuwairna and thiwairna.<br>
But maybe the goths did the same association and wouldve written it <br>
aikwairna.<br>
<br>
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