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--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Very nice work. Wow!<br>
> <br>
> Haven't time to go through it all yet.<br>
> I noticed a couple things first off.<br>
> You use "thata" referring to two masculines,<br>
> thiudans andsomething else. Maybe that could<br>
> or should be "Sa". the alliterative line only<br>
> requires one th- in the first halfline so it couldwork.<br>
<br>
Þus awiliudo, Þiudan! Galaubja, þatei "þata" in swaleikaim frisahtim<br>
fagr ist.<br>
<br>
Thanks Thiudans! I think "thata" is okay in such examples.<br>
<br>
"Das neutr. Pron. steht ohne Rücksicht auf das Genus des<br>
Prädikatsnomens" (Streitberg/<wbr>Stopp: Gotische Syntax 1981, 236.4). <br>
<br>
Gabair (compare): niu þata ist sa timrja, sa sunus Marjins = OUC<br>
hOUTOS ESTIN hO TEKTWN, hO hUIOS THS MARIAS (Mk 6:3); hva ist wens =<br>
TIS ESTIN hH ELPIS (Eph 1:18).<br>
<br>
Cf. also OE: þæt wæs gód/grim cyning "that was a good/fierce king"<br>
(masculine); þæt wæs God ælmihtig "that was God almighty" (masculine);<br>
and ON: þat er maðr "that is a man" (masculine); þat er vargr "that is<br>
a wolf" (mascukine); þat var góðr gripr "that was a good treasure"<br>
(masculine); þat var mikill boer ok vegligur "that was a large and<br>
fine farm" (masculine); þat er nú kölluð Sygnakleif "that is now<br>
called Sygnakleif" (feminine).<br>
<br>
> Also, I wonder if alliteration of the germanic tradition<br>
> ever allowed st- to go with s- and sn- words.<br>
<br>
Not as far as I know. /st/, /sk/ and /sp/ each only alliterate with<br>
themselves, but /s/ alliterates with /s/, /sm/ or /sn/, e.g. Beowulf<br>
190: singála séað / ne mihte snotor hæleð.<br>
<br>
> We see<br>
> in reduplicating verbs that st- is thought of usually<br>
> as an inseperable complex, and in OE and OHG<br>
> poetry I belive sk- and st- had to go only with themselves.<br>
<br>
Yes. Did you spot a mistake? In "ufsniþanai stainam, / sunjus juþan<br>
bai" there is just single alliteration: /sn/ alliterates only with<br>
/s/, while /st/ isn't part of the pattern (compare Beowulf 44:<br>
þéodgestréonum / þonne þá dydon -- with allit. on þéod- and þá, while<br>
/st/ doesn't take part in the scheme; Beowulf 935: húsa sélest /<br>
heorodréorig stód -- with allit. on /h/, while /s/ and /st/ contrast<br>
and don't take part in the pattern; Beowulf 996: secga gehwylcum /<br>
þára þe on swylc starað -- single allit. on /s/, while /hw/ and /st/<br>
aren't part of the pattern). Similarly in "ana Danaprais staþam, /<br>
dairnjai saurgai," there is just single alliteration on /d/.<br>
<br>
LN<br>
<br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> > <a href="http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/drus.htm">http://www.oe.<wbr>eclipse.co.<wbr>uk/nom/drus.<wbr>htm</a><br>
> > <br>
> > To change the subject slightly, I've been working on a Gothic poem of<br>
> > late. As you can see, some of my reconstructions coincide with ones<br>
> > that have been suggested recently. Any comments, queries, corrections<br>
> > or criticisms welcome.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
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