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<p>Ok. This is shorter than the original because I navigated away from the<br>
page.<br>
I admit I became very angry.<br>
<br>
Let us remember to attempt to think Gothicly and not need word for word<br>
translation for things like "and um..." and "interesting! hmph!" etc.<br>
That being said...<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Here, by way of experiment, is a little list that I made a while ago<br>
> after some earlier discussions we had here. How do people feel about<br>
> the format? The only change from standard Biblical Gothic orthography<br>
> is the use of 'ng', for the sake of clarity. In defense of this,<br>
> don't forget that 'ng' does appear as a variant (along with 'gg') in<br>
> the manuscripts. I'm happy to stick with the distinctive looking 'gk'<br>
> for /nk/. I'm tempted to recommend diacritics ái aí, etc. --<br>
for the<br>
> sake of clarity -- in the finished version. It's easier to remove<br>
> information that to go through a whole dictionary afterwards adding it<br>
> if we change our minds!<br>
><br>
> and-waibjan (sik), unwind, develop.<br>
<br>
Also see meanings for wahstus, -wahsjan<br>
<br>
> boka-leisei, fin. literature.<br>
> faihu-fasteis, mja. economist.<br>
> faihu-leisei, fin. finance, economics.<br>
<br>
faihu works fine. also *garda-tewa or *heiwa-ga-freideins<br>
which are based on the Greek words more.<br>
<br>
> fiūraks, ma. wing.<br>
<br>
I understand the velar consonant. Koebler mentions<br>
"Tierbezeichnungen.<wbr>.."<br>
However for the sake of simplicity and to remain free from extravagance<br>
in reconstruction let us consider these, based on Orel:<br>
<br>
*fiūr, na., fiūra, fo. "feather"<br>
*fiūrja, napl., perhaps reclassed as *fiūri, na. (ąga-)<br>
"feathers, wing, plumage"<br>
*fiūra-hams, ma. *fiūra-hama, mn. "wings, plumage, winged haunch"<br>
*fiūrjan, 1. (ąbi-) "feather"; (ąga-) "give wings"<br>
<br>
> gauma-wairūs, a. noteworthy, interesting.<br>
<br>
Alternates (to avoid connotation of "goiter, tumor"):<br>
*kari-, *(at)wita-, *hugi-, *silda-wairūs<br>
<br>
> gleza-mahts, fi. electrical power, electricity.<br>
<br>
Orel has glasan, glazan for this root.<br>
A second root would give us Go. *rafs (b) "amber"<br>
Maybe something like lauhmuni would work?<br>
Or something with -runs or *-straums "current".<br>
Also there is a PGmc. *glason "shining from lightnings; grey-blue"<br>
<br>
> hugi-sahts, fi. idea.<br>
<br>
I'm not convinced on -sahts as a standalone for "image"<br>
Manleika does this, as does of course frisahts and maybe galeiki.<br>
But following Ic. we might use *hugi-minds, fi. or simply Go. waurd,<br>
which might fit almost all meanings of "idea". Platonic sense too?<br>
ideal (of an idea or ideation) would be *hugisiuns (noun in fi., adj.<br>
in ja. after Go. anasiuns "visible"), based on Ic. "hugsjķn". The<br>
common usage meaning "most preferable" or "best" would be expressed<br>
by Go. fullawita, fullatojis, fulls, allandjis, fagrs, fagrost-, etc.<br>
<br>
> in-wageins, fi/o. emotion.<br>
> qiu-sahts, fi. film, movie.<br>
<br>
qiu-fri-sahts might work, or qiu-man-leika. Unfortunate these are<br>
but I just don't see a "living accusation" or "living litigation" or<br>
even<br>
"living case" being stretched this far. I think sahts (< sakan) moved<br>
semantically like this, with the fri- prefix at least: suit > case ><br>
affair<br>
, matter > thing.<br>
<br>
> stoma-stafs (b), mi. chemical element.<br>
> tungla-fasteis, mja. astronomer.<br>
> tungla-leisei, fin. astronomy.<br>
> us-wageins, fi/o. excitement.<br>
> ga-maini-hansa, fo. collective.<br>
> rauks, mi. smoke, steam, vapour.<br>
> ga-waurki-hansa, fo. (business) company, corporation.<br>
<br>
Hansa seems to have a military sense in Gothic.<br>
Can we use Go. (*waurki-)gamain(<wbr>du)ūs in this sense?<br>
Other germanic languages give us ideas for words<br>
such as *leikaskafts, fi., *ga-sinūi, nia.<br>
*gasaliskafts, fi.? Gamainūs is very similar to the<br>
German word Gemeinde "corporation"<wbr>.<br>
*gadaurs, na. "venture", or simply gawaurki "comm. undertaking"<br>
in an wider sense, as in German Unternehmen.<br>
Perhaps *gagaggi "fellowship, company" modeled<br>
on fauragaggi "administration, management"<br>
Related words:<br>
*kaups, ma. "trade, business, transaction"<br>
despite att. Go. gawaurki "business deal"<br>
? *kaupja, mn. *kaupareis, mia. "merchant"<br>
<br>
> wehings, ma. wing.<br>
<br>
also see *fiūr etc. above.<br>
BTW where did you get your etymology of wing?<br>
FFT doesn't seem to have it.<br>
<br>
> wisti-fasteis, mja. physicist.<br>
> wisti-leisei, fin. physics.<br>
> wisti-stafs (b), mi. elementary particle.<br>
<br>
Houellenbecq'<wbr>s book would be "Wisti-stabeis" in Gothic? :)<br>
<br>
> wokra-hansa, fo. banking company.<br>
<br>
For banking: Go. *skatteins or *skatti-kaups? (cf. skattja 'banker')<br>
exchange: *skattiīnmaideinais staūs?<br>
<br>
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