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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Well, I think that finally we've got a (master-!)piece of true <br>
> Gothic poetry whatever Elfriede Stutz may have stated. Where in the <br>
> dark cellars of antiquarian bibliothecae did Llama find the last <br>
> surviving manuscript of an unknown Ostrogothic Homer? Or were they <br>
> communicating in sleep? Or maybe we should believe in reincarnation? <br>
> Whatever the truth, the poem is great, "both in quantitative and <br>
> qualitative aspect" as someone used to say :-). Let me start with <br>
> proper names only, I've got some questions to the liuþareis.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
> Aistjus "Ests" – has this clan name something to do with Aestii of <br>
> Tacitus and Jordanes? In which case it could be an –i-stem, *Aisteis <br>
> pl.?<br>
<br>
This is what I found in Chambers: Widsith: A Study in Old English<br>
Poetic Legend: "The Gothic form of the name would probably be *Aistjus<br>
pointing to a Prim. Germ. *Aistewes (Erdmann ??, p. 90; Müllenhoff:<br>
D[eutsche] A[ltertumskunde] II, 13); or perhaps Gothic *Aisteis (Grimm<br>
G[eschichte der] d[eutschen] S[prache] 790, 4th ed. 500)" (Chambers<br>
1912, p. 248).<br>
<br>
I'm not sure which work by Erdmann the reference is to. The<br>
bibliography contains two:<br>
<br>
Om folk namnen Götar och Gotar (A.T.f.S VI, 4)<br>
Über die Heimat und den Namen der Angeln von A. Erdmann, in the<br>
Sktifter utgifna af Humanistiska Vetenskapsfundet i Upsala I, 1890.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to track down these<br>
various works, so (after some dithering) I went with Chambers<br>
suggestion. Old Icelandic has 'Eistir' (i-stem? u-stem?) and 'Eistr'<br>
(consonant stem). Old English *Æ´ste isn't attested. Instead, Íste<br>
appears, apparently by folk-etymological confusion with the direction<br>
"east".<br>
<br>
> What's the meaning of Idumiggos?<br>
<br>
The Idumings are named in the Old English poem Widsith, line 87, along<br>
with the Ests, right before a mention of Ermanaric.<br>
<br>
ond mid Eolum ond mid Istum . ond Idumingum.<br>
Ond ic wæs mid Eormanrice . ealle þrage, <br>
<br>
There are two main theories about these: (1) that the name is a<br>
learned interpolation, being an Anglicisation of the Biblical<br>
Edomites; (2) that they were a Baltic people, perhaps the same as the<br>
Ydumaei, mentioned by Henry of Ymera in the Chronicon Lyvoniae. <br>
Chambers favours the latter idea (Chambers, pp. 250-252).<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Iþ galgin ridun / Gunþirunos "But upon the gallows rode Godrun's"<br>
> – I guess there's some ON or OE or maybe Gothic metaphor behind it? <br>
> Could you please tell us? Gunþiruna – *walakuzjo?<br>
<br>
In Norse legend, Guðrún's sons were Sörli and Hamðir and Erpr. Her<br>
daughter Svanhildr (Jord. Sunilda; mss. variants: Sunielh, Sunihil <<br>
Go. *Sunjahildi) was given in marriage to Jörmunrekkr (Ermanaric), who<br>
had her trampled to death with horses -- in Völsunga saga because<br>
suspects her of adultery with his son Randvér; in Snorra Edda the<br>
trampling seems more impromptu, and the motive isn't made explicit,<br>
although the account there is just a brief summary. Sörli and Hamðir<br>
ride alone to Gothland where they try to take revenge on Jörmunrekkr.<br>
(Guðrún has given them armour that makes them immune to iron<br>
weapons.) They manage to chop off his arms and legs, but don't have a<br>
chance to chop off his head before someone (either Jörmunrekkr or<br>
Odin, depending on the version) suggests throwing stones at them. <br>
That's how they die. I imagined them as being on the gallows as a<br>
warning to others; when they arrive at Jörmunrekkr's hall in Hamðismál<br>
(14), it says that they find their "sister's son" hanging on a<br>
gallows. Jörmunrekkr also threatens to bind them with bowstrings and<br>
hang them on the gallows (Hamðismál 21). See also the Eddic poem<br>
Guðrúnarhvöt "Godrun's Incitement", Saxo's Gesta Danorum, and<br>
Ragnarsdrápa by Bragi Boddason.<br>
<br>
The Chronicles of Würzburg and Quedlinburg, c. 1000, each tell a<br>
somewhat different version of this story, and simpler, in which the<br>
tyrant Ermanaric is slain by the brothers Hamido, Sarilo and Odoacer<br>
in revenge for killing their father "after they had first cut off his<br>
hands and feet" (amputatis manibus et pedibus).<br>
<br>
To be continued...<br>
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