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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br>
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> Isn't it too bad that the only attested *salw- is Go. salwa "unhurt",<br>
> prob. from Lat. salvus -a -um? I think there could have been a *salus or<br>
> *salws (like Go. falws) but cannot tell if the meaning would be<br>
> "yellow", "dark" or what. I wonder btw where this verbal Go. saul- with<br>
> meaning "dirt, mud" comes from. Something to do with "dark" > "stained"?<br>
<br>
Under this headword *salwa, Köbler cites only a personal name from<br>
Spain, Gondisalvez (whence Gonzalez). This is derived (with the<br>
patronymic -ez, ultimately of Basque origin?) from the precursor of<br>
modern Gonzalo, attested earlier as Gundisalvus. The Latin<br>
interpretation of the second element is given as "salvus?" -- so I<br>
guess the existence of such a loanword in Gothic itself is a bit<br>
speculative. If the interpretation is correct, maybe it was borrowed<br>
simply as a naming element, a tribute to some Latin relative who bore<br>
the name Salvus. Or does Gondisalvez contain the native Germanic root<br>
*salw-, after all, reinterpreted by Latin/Romance speaking scribes? <br>
And can we even be sure that either Gondisalvez or Gundisalvus was<br>
borne by a Gothic speaker? Maybe the combining of Germanic and<br>
Romance elements happened in Romance.<br>
<br>
The Latin root is attested in Biblical Gothic as salb-, in the verb<br>
'salbon' "to anoint" and the noun 'salbons' "ointment, salve." So<br>
maybe no confusion with Germanic salw- there. *Gunþisalbs? As far as<br>
I know, that would account for the Spanish forms as well as<br>
*Gunþisalws (or similar). Compare the Latin spellings of names of<br>
Goths: Liuva, Erelieva, Silva (Braune/Helm 54.1); and the Gothic<br>
spellings of Latin loans: Silbanus, Naubaimbair (Braune/Helm 54.2). <br>
Unless it was a very early loan (cf. Go. wein).<br>
<br>
Go. -saul-. Any relation of OE sol, n., solu/solwe/sylu/<wbr>syle, f.<br>
"mire, miry place"; sol, adjective "filthy", solian "to make/become<br>
dirty", sylian "to make dirty"? Also the Old English month-name<br>
identified with February: solmonaþ "mud-month".<br>
<br>
Modern English 'sully' and 'soil' are loans from French: the former<br>
from Anglo French soil, soyl "apparently representing L. solium<br>
(whence also OF. soil, suel), taken in the sense of L. solum (F. sol)<br>
ground"; the latter from "OF. suill(i)er, soill(i)er, etc. (mod.F.<br>
souiller), = Prov. sulhar < pop. Lat. *sucula:re, f. L. suculus or<br>
sucula, diminutive of sus pig." So says the OED.<br>
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