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--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Maybe we should have a second, more definitive file which will start<br>
> off small and grow gradually, and only contain words that have been<br>
> posted here (just a few at a time, so that all interested parties have<br>
> chance to reply, and to do any research necessary) for discussion and<br>
> agreed on.<br>
><br>
> > > "egg ái, n. (addj-)". - Why not addi in nom.?<br>
<br>
I have this now as *addjis, na. (z). Is that incorrect? What is the the<br>
second most likely form? Addi?<br>
<br>
> > "accusative şula-drusts, a."<br>
> > "genitive aigina-drusts, a."<br>
> > "dative giba-drusts, a."<br>
> > "nominative nama-drusts, a."<br>
> > "instrumental hve-drusts, a." – I guess these are all names of<br>
> > grammatical cases and hence nouns?<br>
><br>
> Yes, although I suggest we go with your suggestion of: hvana-drus,<br>
> hvis-drus, hvamma-drus, hvas-drus, hve-drus.<br>
<br>
I'll include both forms for the time being. drusts has been corrected to<br>
"fi." and drus to "mi.".<br>
><br>
> > "stairno-witja"<wbr>, "stairno-leisei"<wbr>. - Weak nouns have –a- as a<br>
> > bindvowel [Braune/Helm, 1952:53], cf. auga-dauro, qina-kunds, wilja-<br>
> > halşei etc. So, maybe stairna-witja, stairna-leisei?<br>
<br>
Thank you. Corrected.<br>
<br>
> > "briuwan, 1". - Sure, it's not briggwan?<br>
><br>
> Agreed, it ought to be *briggwan.<br>
<br>
Thanks. Corrected. I wonder on some of the stuff that came from Grimm's<br>
ideas. It will have to be re-read to determine value.<br>
<br>
> How about: 'kattus', mu. "cat" (=ON köttr, mu., Lat. cattus);<br>
'katto'<br>
> "female cat", fon (=OE catte, etc.); *kataza "male cat, tomcat" (OHG<br>
> chataro). Romance forms come from Popular Latin *cattus, *catta. On<br>
> Lat. 'catus', the OED comments: "Palladius, ? c 350, has catus,<br>
> elsewhere scanned ca:tus (Lewis and Short), and prob. in both cases<br>
> properly cattus."<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
><br>
> > "Dane Dana mn." - ON Danir pl. M.-i. Maybe Dans, pl. Daneis;<br>
> > Danimarka?<br>
><br>
> Agreed. There is some more detailed discussion of this in the<br>
> Theudiskon archives, if anyone has time to track it down. If I<br>
> remember rightly, Konrad argued in favour of a regular i-stem in<br>
> Proto-Norse (cf. OE Dene, pl., and the name ON Hálfdanr, OE<br>
> Healfdene), which was only later replaced with weak forms in the<br>
> singular. I believe we also discussed "English" -- but I don't<br>
> remember any firm conclusion being reached as to whether to<br>
> reconstruct with a vowel intervening betw. /ng/ and /l/.<br>
><br>
<br>
Yes. I support a medial "i" in Agg(i)l- but I admit both seem possible<br>
going all the way back to PGmc.<br>
<br>
> > > "badus, mwa", "badwa, fo". - Shouldn't we mark them as "poetic"?<br>
I'd<br>
> > doubt that they still existed in the spoken language in the time of<br>
> > the Bible translation.<br>
><br>
> Good idea to mark words as poetic. ON böğ and OE beado are both<br>
fwo.<br>
> Koebler has: "*badwo, germ., F.: nhd. Kampf, Streit, P[ersonal]<br>
> N[name] ([recorded c.] 100)." Is there any justification for this<br>
> masculine form? Can we suppose that it was confined to personal<br>
names?<br>
<br>
I'm using "(poet.)" for this. I was going to use a superscript "p" or a<br>
dagger, but then we would get into the problem of having a key or list<br>
of definitions. Badus is marked with "(PN only)".<br>
<br>
><br>
> > > "fanigs". - faneigs?<br>
><br>
> Maybe, but for a possible justification for the reduced vowel, see [<br>
> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/message/9558">http://tech.<wbr>groups.yahoo.<wbr>com/group/<wbr>gothic-l/<wbr>message/9558</a> ]. Or to<br>
> save complications: *fanahs, like 'stainahs'.<br>
<br>
I include the alternative, but I prefer fanigs because it shows<br>
connection to Go. fani (nja.) "mud, mire, clay" and less to Go. fana<br>
(mn.) "flag, piece of cloth".<br>
<br>
><br>
> > > "Greek (Lat. Graecus) Krekus, ma." - Either Kreks, ma. (attested)<br>
or<br>
> > Krekus, mu.<br>
><br>
> Go with the attested form, Kreks, surely?!<br>
><br>
<br>
I've deleted the entry as it does not have a place in a neoligsms list.<br>
<br>
> > > "Greens (pol. party) gronjans, ja.pl." - mn. pl.?<br>
><br>
> I suppose this is just a matter of deciding how we define<br>
> substantivised adjectives. man.pl. seems like a good idea, given that<br>
> it has a meaning that can't be predicted from knowing that the<br>
> adjective *groneis, ja/jo indicates a certain colour.<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
> I agree too with the points Uararauans has made about *latists and the<br>
> need for medial -d- in derivatives of liuhaş, liuahada-.<br>
><br>
> LN<br>
><br>
<br>
Corrected.<br>
<br>
Thank you for your corrections and suggestions. I'll keep the latest few<br>
versions on the files page with dated titles.<br>
<br>
-Th.<br>
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