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> > "forest, wood skohs, ma (g)" – you mean skohs, gen. skogis? Afaik<br>
> > there're no examples of such a change.<br>
> <br>
> I furthermore don't see that Grimm's idea is correct, at least as far as<br>
> Orel can determine from his idea of common Germanic. *skoh- should give<br>
> use something to do with shoes. However Orel does have a Pgmc. *skagon<br>
> (sb.m.) "small wood, copse, thicket; low cape, ness" (the meanings are<br>
> from different daughter languages. Thus he puts the ON forest-terms from<br>
> this same root, while both are attest in Danish as "skog" and "Skagen"<br>
> for instance, and probaby Skagerrak and who knows what else. There also<br>
> seems to be a related root *skag(j)an (sb.n.) "beard, head-hair". If we<br>
> postulate a separate root for Go. skohsl as PGmc. *skog- or *skoh-<br>
> (themselves alternating in in the shoe-terms) with sense "wood, forest",<br>
> can we relate "forest" - "wood" - "(wooden) shoe" ?<br>
<br>
Under 'shaw', the OED has:<br>
<br>
OE. sc(e)aga wk. masc., corresp. to NFris. skage farthest edge of<br>
cultivated land (Outzen), ON. skage wk. masc., promontory (cf. sense 3<br>
below), skaga to project; related to OE. sceacga SHAG n.1, and (by<br>
ablaut) to ON. skóg-r wood, SCOGH.] <br>
<br>
1. A thicket, a small wood, copse or grove.<br>
2. spec. A strip of wood or underwood forming the border of a field.<br>
3. (See quot.)<br>
1813 J. HOGG Queen's Wake Notes 353 Shaw...likewise.<wbr>..denotes the<br>
snout, or brow of a hill; but the part so denominated is always<br>
understood to be...broad at the base, and contracted to a point above.<br>
<br>
Shag 1.<br>
<br>
OE. sceacga wk. masc.:--prehistoric *skaggon-, cogn. w. ON. skegg<br>
neut., beard (:--*skagjo-<wbr>m), OE. sceaga wk. masc., coppice, SHAW<br>
(formally = ON. skage wk. masc., promontory:-<wbr>-*skagon-<wbr>), ON. skaga to<br>
project; the ON. skóg-r, a wood, shows a different ablaut-grade of the<br>
root. Cf. OHG. scahho wk. masc., promontory (:--*skakon-<wbr>), which may<br>
be more distantly related. <br>
<br>
1. a. Rough matted hair, wool, etc. rare or arch.<br>
b. A mass of matted hair; also shreds (of bark).<br>
c. The nap (esp. long and coarse) of cloth.<br>
d. transf. Applied to thick down on plants.<br>
e. A (tangled) mass of shrubs, trees, foliage, etc.<br>
f. fig. Roughness, brutality of manner.<br>
<br>
+ other senses in Modern English deriving from these (type of cloth,<br>
carpet, tobacco).<br>
<br>
A connection between hair and vegetation has also been suggested in<br>
explanations of the Old Norse god's name Lóðurr (=Loki?) and the name<br>
Loðbrók (nickname of a legendary hero, Ragnarr loðbrók "shaggy<br>
trousers"), but perhaps originally the name of a goddess (see Rory<br>
McTurk: Studies in Ragnars saga loðbrókar and its Major Scandinavian<br>
Analogues) -- cf. Go. liudan, laudi. So, not a lot of eveidence, but<br>
maybe also nothing that actually contradicts Grimm's suggestion that<br>
Go. skohls is a "thing of the woods" (or just a shaggy creature?),<br>
derived from Go. *skohs (g), ma. = ON skógr. This supposes that skog-<br>
+ neuter suffix -sl- > skohsl -- cf. swum(f)sl -- with regular<br>
devoicing of /g/ before /s/.<br>
<br>
Under 'shoe', the OED has:<br>
<br>
"Com. Teut.: OE. scóh masc. = OFris. scô (NFris. skog, skuch, WFris.<br>
skoech), OS. scôh (MLG. scô, LG. schô), MDu. scoe (mod.Du. schoen),<br>
OHG. scuoh, scuah (MHG. schuoch, schuo, mod.G. schuh), ON. skó-r (Sw.,<br>
Da. sko), Goth. skoh-s:--OTeut. *sko:ho-z or sko:hwo-z.<br>
<br>
"Some scholars refer the word to the root *sko:hw-: *skæ:w- to walk<br>
(Goth. skewjan to take a walk, ON. skæva to stride). Others, on<br>
account of the alternation of vowel in ON. skór pl. skúar, assume a<br>
pre-Teut. *sko:uko-s, f. *skeu- to cover."<br>
<br>
Or, I wonder if there's any possibility it's related to these words<br>
for forest or hair, if shoes were made (partly) of wood, bark or hide?<br>
<br>
LN<br>
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