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Many thanks for this Arthur. I read it ages ago, but had completely<br>
forgotten that detail about the phantom status of *Naubaimbair!<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/index.html">http://www.modeemi.<wbr>cs.tut.fi/<wbr>~david/index.<wbr>html</a><br>
<a href="http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/report.pdf">http://www.modeemi.<wbr>cs.tut.fi/<wbr>~david/report.<wbr>pdf</a><br>
<br>
The relevant section is on p. 54. Which leaves us with just 'fruma<br>
jiuleis' as the name of the month, and no way of knowing whether the<br>
illegible word was a synonym (*Naubaimbair or otherwise) or something<br>
else entirely.<br>
<br>
Re. alternative names, I just came across the following Old West Norse<br>
and Old Swedish proposals: Dróttins burðar tíð; gudz födzlo hötidh [<br>
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julfest">http://de.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Julfest</a> ], neither of which caught on. <br>
So maybe we could have: 'fraujins mel gabaurþais', or similar. Bit of<br>
a mouthful, I know... Thinks: does the final vowel in Finnish 'juhla'<br>
and 'joula' imply a specifically East Germanic origin for the<br>
loanword, as opposed to Proto Germanic -o or Proto Nordic -u? If so,<br>
we have a nice piece of evidence for the survival of both versions in<br>
East Germanic: *jaihvla and *jiula.<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello again!<br>
> <br>
> Sorry, a Druckfehler crept into the URL citation in my previous<br>
missive. It should read<br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david.report.pdf">http://www.modeemi.<wbr>cs.tut.fi/<wbr>~david.report.<wbr>pdf</a><br>
> <br>
> Hope it works this time. If not, try googling David Landau +<br>
Digital Technology + Gothic manuscripts.<br>
> <br>
> Ave atque valium.<br>
> <br>
> Aizamunds<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
> Hails frijandeis meinai,<br>
> <br>
> Llama Nom has made a number of very salient points regarding the<br>
calendar. The only problem I see today with any of it is that<br>
legitimate doubts have recently arisen about the word "Naubaimbair" on<br>
a palimpsest calendar.<br>
> <br>
> Dr. David Landau, of the Tampere (Finland) University of Technology,<br>
Institute of Software Systems, has written "The Study of Old Texts<br>
with the Aid of Digital Technology: The Gothic Manuscripts" (a<br>
dissertation plus subsequent reports), in which he has solved many<br>
ambiguities arising from unclear, smudged, obscured, torn or missing,<br>
and other words and phrases in the Codex Argenteus, the Codex<br>
Ambrosianus, the Salzburg Calendar, Skeireins, and Ravenna Deed. <br>
> <br>
> After applying state-of-the-<wbr>art digital scanning and clarifying<br>
techniques, Dr. Landau has concluded that, where experts heretofore<br>
thought they saw the word "Naubaimbair" that had been scratched off<br>
and over-written by Latin characters, they were apparently mistaken.<br>
His wave-length printouts indeed reveal that the letters removed in<br>
the palimpsest process did not spell out "November" in Gothic at all.<br>
> <br>
> How much doubt does this development cast upon the Gothic calendar<br>
and its remnants from pre-Christian usage? I have no idea. However, I<br>
would suggest that we take full account of Dr. Landau's findings<br>
(completed, incidentally, in cooperation with Dr. Lars Munkhammar,<br>
University of Uppsala, who is both custodian of, and authority on, the<br>
Codex Argenteus, and who has been a key figure in the emerging<br>
"mini-Renaissance" of Gothic history and culture in Bulgaria in the<br>
past several years).<br>
> <br>
> You can find the digital scanning results here:<br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david.report.pdf">http://www.modeemi.<wbr>cs.tut.fi/<wbr>~david.report.<wbr>pdf</a><br>
> <br>
> The section on "Deciphering the Palimpsests" appears on pages 60-61.<br>
> <br>
> Thuk golja,<br>
> <br>
> Aizamunds<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> llama_nom <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Probably the native months, as elsewhere in Germania, didn't<br>
> originally match up perfectly with the Roman months. The two Yule<br>
> months would have originally marked, more or less, one month's length<br>
> of time before yule (the midwinter feast) and one month's length of<br>
> time after, as defined according to native tradition. The Icelandic<br>
> 'ýlir', for example, begins on the second day of the week falling<br>
> within November 10-17. From the Calendar, it seems that the Goths, by<br>
> the time it was written, had altered this system to bring their native<br>
> month names into line with the Roman months, so that 'fruma jiuleis'<br>
> became a synonym for November. The choice of November or December may<br>
> have been a bit arbitrary when this process of co-ordinating calendars<br>
> was first undertaken. Since the original month would have overlapped<br>
> with part of December, it could just as easily have come to be the<br>
> name for that month, as did its Old English equivalent 'se æ´rra<br>
> jéola'. If they called the second yule month 'anþar jiuleis' and<br>
> co-ordinated it with December, at least it wouldn't sound as anomalous<br>
> as doing this would with the Old English 'se æftera jéola' which<br>
> instead was naturally seen as the nearest equivalent to January. But<br>
> I suppose, for all we know, the Goths might have inserted some other<br>
> name as the native synonym for December, or else used no native<br>
> synonym at all. Or maybe the tradition that the two yule-months were<br>
> consecutive was too strong.<br>
> <br>
> LN<br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The month name 'fruma jiuleis' which appears in the Calendar as a<br>
> > > synonym for 'Naubaimbair' is masculine singular, as shown by the<br>
> > > adjective: a long ja-stem like hairdeis. It corresponds to ON ýlir<br>
> > > (masculine singular) and Anglian OE giuli (mentioned by Bede:<br>
> > > Primusque eorum mensis, quem Latini Januarium vocant, dicitur<br>
> > > Giuli...December Giuli, eodem quo Januarius nomine, vocatur... <br>
> > Menses<br>
> > > Giuli a conversione solis in auctum diei, quia unus eorum præcedit,<br>
> > > alius subsequitur, nomina accipiunt (cited in the OED)) -- in later<br>
> > > West Saxon OE the months before and after the feast are called 'se<br>
> > > æ´rra géola' and 'se æftera géola', with a change of declension to<br>
> > > masculine n-stems.<br>
> > <br>
> > It would be nice if we could call December fruma jiuleis and <br>
> > January – anþar jiuleis. But why November in the Calender?<br>
> > <br>
> > > The midwinter feast itself -- the 12 days of Christmas -- is neuter<br>
> > > plural in ON and Icelandic (jól), and sometimes in Old English (æ´r<br>
> > > géolum = advent). Maybe the tendency to make it singular came as <br>
> > the<br>
> > > word's meaning changed to apply to the Christian festival. In <br>
> > view of<br>
> > > which, maybe it is worth having a more specific word after all for <br>
> > the<br>
> > > day itself when Christ's birth is commemorated, and keep the old<br>
> > > grammar for the festive 12 days as a whole.<br>
> > <br>
> > I support the idea of having separate terms for the pagan and the <br>
> > Christian festival. For the latter maybe smth like Xristujiul in <br>
> > singular?<br>
> > <br>
> > Ualarauans<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> ARTHUR A. JONES<br>
> <br>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ARTHUR A. JONES<br>
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