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> Feb. OE supports Sauil-,<br>
<br>
All the sources I've seen cite 'sol' in OE Solmónaþ with a short<br>
vowel: OE sol, n. "mud, mire, wet sand, wallowing place",<br>
solu/solwe/sylu/<wbr>syle, f. "mire, miry place"; sol, adjective "filthy",<br>
solian "to make/become dirty", sylian "to make dirty", related by<br>
ablaut to Go. bi-sáuljan. So February is the muddy month, February<br>
Fill-dyke (German variants: Volburn, Vulneburn), rather than the sunny<br>
month!<br>
<br>
<a href="http://runeberg.org/svetym/1029.html">http://runeberg.<wbr>org/svetym/<wbr>1029.html</a><br>
<a href="http://runeberg.org/svetym/0911.html">http://runeberg.<wbr>org/svetym/<wbr>0911.html</a><br>
<br>
Compare also the German name: Sollman (Selle, Sille, Sulle, Silmaent);<br>
perhaps semantically related to Zelle, Zille, Zulle (cf. Go. *tulla<br>
"sod", borrowed into Italian and distinguishable from Langobardic by<br>
the unshifted initial consonant)?<br>
<br>
LN<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "thiudans" <thiudans@..<wbr>.> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hails<br>
> <br>
> Good idea. It seems month names could be more flexible and adaptable<br>
> in the Germanic world. I think it reasonable to take those month-names<br>
> which most closely harmonize with the agricultural schedule of the<br>
> societies in the area where Goths lived during the 4th century.<br>
> According to the wiki page on Germanic calendars, December has Jul or<br>
> its variant.<br>
> <br>
> January in OE, ON supports Jiuleis. OHG supports *hardu-menoths or<br>
> maybe eisa-<br>
> <br>
> Feb. OE supports Sauil-, OHG supports Haurna-<br>
> Mar. OE Hre∂, ON supports Go. aina-mnths., OHG supports Go.<br>
> ?*Laggi(?t[h]<wbr>)an(-mnths.<wbr>)<br>
> <br>
> May, OE & OHG support *threi- or *thrija-miluk-<br>
> <br>
> June OE uses the Li∂ system; ON supports *Sauil- and OHG has<br>
Brach-<br>
> "fallow"<br>
> <br>
> July ON and OHG both support Go. *hawi- or hauja-mnths.<br>
> <br>
> Aug. revolves around plants and harvest: Go. *asani-mnths "harvest<br>
month".<br>
> <br>
> Sep. OE, ON and OHG all support Go. *harbisi-mnths. "picking month".<br>
> <br>
> Oct. lacks agreement.<br>
> <br>
> Nov. might be something like nibla-mnths. or friuza-mnths.<br>
> <br>
> Dec. would be Fruma Jiuleis I think.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> It might be good to consider monthnames in the style of ON Heyannir,<br>
> OHG Scheiding, etc., that is the abstract or poetic terms rather than<br>
> forms dependent on suffixing -menoths.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Many thanks for this Arthur. I read it ages ago, but had <br>
> > completely<br>
> > > forgotten that detail about the phantom status of *Naubaimbair!<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <a href="http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/index.html">http://www.modeemi.<wbr>cs.tut.fi/<wbr>~david/index.<wbr>html</a><br>
> > > <a href="http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/report.pdf">http://www.modeemi.<wbr>cs.tut.fi/<wbr>~david/report.<wbr>pdf</a><br>
> > > <br>
> > > The relevant section is on p. 54. Which leaves us with just 'fruma<br>
> > > jiuleis' as the name of the month, and no way of knowing whether <br>
> > the<br>
> > > illegible word was a synonym (*Naubaimbair or otherwise) or <br>
> > something<br>
> > > else entirely.<br>
> > <br>
> > But if Naubaimbair is a fancy, what's worth our reconstruction of <br>
> > the Gothic month names based on Latin? If only fruma jiuleis is <br>
> > attested, then one could logically suppose that all other Gothic <br>
> > month names were also Germanic. Afaik there were several Calender <br>
> > traditions in Germania, with their own month names. Which of them <br>
> > are we to follow? E.g. OHG and OE give only one match which could <br>
> > speak for Go. Austramenoþs "April".<br>
> > <br>
> > Ualarauans<br>
> > <br>
> > > Re. alternative names, I just came across the following Old West <br>
> > Norse<br>
> > > and Old Swedish proposals: Dróttins burðar tíð; gudz födzlo hötidh <br>
> > [<br>
> > > <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julfest">http://de.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Julfest</a> ], neither of which caught on.<br>
> > > So maybe we could have: 'fraujins mel gabaurþais', or similar. <br>
> > Bit of<br>
> > > a mouthful, I know... Thinks: does the final vowel in <br>
> > Finnish 'juhla'<br>
> > > and 'joula' imply a specifically East Germanic origin for the<br>
> > > loanword, as opposed to Proto Germanic -o or Proto Nordic -u? If <br>
> > so,<br>
> > > we have a nice piece of evidence for the survival of both versions <br>
> > in<br>
> > > East Germanic: *jaihvla and *jiula.<br>
> ><br>
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