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Hi Oscar,<br>
<br>
are the many question marks an expression of disbelief or a sign that <br>
you are unclear about the content of my comment?<br>
<br>
Just to clarify, there is really no doubt today that the Visigoths <br>
who settled in Spain after 507 didn't speak Gothic, but Latin or <br>
better a Latin military pidgin that included Germanic terms. The fact <br>
that all royal documents issued by Visigothic kings are in Latin <br>
shouldn't surprise. The same is true for Italy. Yet, even in private <br>
and Arian church documents there is no use and not even a reference <br>
to an other language, let alone Gothic. In Italy at least some <br>
private and clerical documents use Gothic, albeit in a static, archic <br>
and formulaic way that shows that the language was more or less dead <br>
already in daily use. <br>
<br>
Also, like in Italy, Visigothic kings never seem to have need for <br>
interpreters. They can speak freely communicated with the natives, <br>
which would at least require them to have been bilingual. Finally, <br>
the Frankish Tabula Gentes of 550 AD suggests directly that the <br>
Visigoths of Spain were Latin-speakers. <br>
<br>
I suppose the federate army under Wallia who entered Spain in the <br>
early 5th century would have been mostly Gothic/Germanic speaking. <br>
Yet, in the subsequent 3 or 4 generations in Gaul Gothic was no doubt <br>
abandoned in favour of Latin. When the Gothic kingdom was destroyed <br>
by the Franks in 507, the remaining refugees who fled to Spain would <br>
have ben Latin/Romanic speakers. And again, the documentary evidence <br>
of the subsequent decades allows for no other conclusion.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> ????????????<br>
> <br>
> faltin2001 <d.faltin@..<wbr>.> wrote: --- In gothic-<br>
<a href="mailto:l%40yahoogroups.com">l@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>, "Abdoer-Ragmaan Lombard" <br>
> <manielombard@<wbr>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Perhaps I've used an unsuitable font, so here a repost:<br>
> > <br>
> > Could Tulaytula, the Arabic form of Toledo, have <br>
> > been derived from *Tôlêtula", a Gothic hypocorism of *Tôlêtô < <br>
Latin <br>
> > Tôlêtum? Perhaps *Taúlêtô should be regarded as the Gothic etymon <br>
> > (long unstressed "ô" having merged in Vulgar Latin with <br>
short /o/, <br>
> and <br>
> > seeing that Arabic uses a short "u" preceded by an emphatic t, in <br>
> > order to reproduce an "o"; long "ê" is given as "ay" [= "ê" in <br>
spoken <br>
> > Arabic]), which would give *Taúlêtula.<br>
> <br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> I don't think so, because the Goths in Spain didn't speak Gothic, <br>
but <br>
> Latin or some vulgar Latin with a few Germanic/Gothic remnants. The <br>
> Tabula gentes of about 550AD suggests so, and there is no hint that <br>
> they had any difficulties communicating with the local population <br>
in <br>
> Romanic without interpretors.<wbr>There is also no indication that <br>
written <br>
> Gothic was used in Gaul or Spain. After all, the Goths in Gaul and <br>
> Spain were a Roman federate army, which also included many Roman <br>
> provincials and Latin was no doubt the lingua franca of the various <br>
> western Gothic groups since the 5th century. <br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Dirk<br>
> <br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br>
><br>
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