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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "Ingemar Nordgren" <ingemar@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> <br>
> Dear Oscar!<br>
> <br>
> Evidently we all have been victims for a great complot. We have been<br>
> told there were Goths once upon a time but this evidently is only<br>
> fantasies. <br>
<br>
Hi Ingemar,<br>
<br>
I'm afraid the Goths that you tell about most of the time are indeed <br>
fantasy.<br>
<br>
Also the assumption that the Goths should have two sets of<br>
> laws and administration - one for the Goths and one for the Romans,<br>
> where Latin was needed of course,is evidently only bad rumours.<br>
<br>
Different social groups require different laws. The native provincial <br>
Iberians largely submitted to the laws set by the secular Roman <br>
authorities. The Catholic clerics submitted to church law and the <br>
military was subject to the "lex Romana Visigothorum"<wbr>, i.e. the Roman <br>
law for the visigothic realm.<br>
<br>
The<br>
> Goths never did exist and we also do not exist but we just beleive we<br>
> do. <br>
<br>
Lets say you (and many others) believe in an old and antiquated image <br>
of the Visigoths, which simply is no longer acceptable in the light of <br>
the evidence. You should now that much of what we know is perception <br>
and interpretion. Look, Oscar wasn't even aware that the Visigoths were <br>
the Roman federate army and that they didn't drive out any Roman <br>
legions from Spain. Your knowledge would be better used to inform and <br>
explain such things.<br>
<br>
I am not even convinced there is a great master Dirk - it is maybe<br>
> just a brain ghost in our heads. Anyhow - Gothic is now called a dead<br>
> language but how long did it survive-if it ever existed? <br>
<br>
You, of all people should know the answer to this as we can all assume <br>
that you are familiar with the modern literature.<br>
<br>
Gothic may indeed never have existed as such, but they may just have <br>
been East Germanic, which we typically equate with Gothic. The <br>
Visigoths (I hope you know that Jordanes or Cassiodorus invented this <br>
name, or is that new to you as well?), lost their Germanic language <br>
during the 5th century, after having lived among Romans for some 5 or <br>
more generations. The Ostrogoths may have stuck with Gothic a little <br>
longer. Theoderic never referes to Gothic, but he uses the term "our <br>
language". Yet, this "our language" had almost certainly very little in <br>
common with the Gothic of the Wulfila bible. Instead, it was probably a <br>
military pidgin with many Germanic, Latin and some Greek words.<br>
<br>
Cheers, and I am always glad to help you out of some of your confusions <br>
(of which unfortunately there are many)<br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Hot greetings from a confused Ingemar<br>
><br>
<br>
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