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<p>--- In gothic-l@yahoogroup s.com, Frederick Louis Scoggins<br>
<scoggins3375@ ...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> ualarauans wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > [snipped my translation attempt]<br>
> <br>
> Dear Ualarauans,<br>
><br>
> After this short message I shall unsubscribe from the Gothic<br>
newsletter.<br>
> First you are obviously deceived into thinking that the entire<br>
writtings<br>
> of Jordanes are accurate instead of the cut and paste propaganda of<br>
a<br>
> third rate political and religious hack who tried to deceive<br>
readers<br>
> into accepting it as the condensed work of a lost Roman historian.<br>
> Jordanes may be a source but he ranks somewhat below Goering and<br>
has the<br>
> same glorious interpretation of Germanic history as the Nazis had.<br>
If I<br>
> were to discover that you had facist inclinations it would not<br>
surprise<br>
> me in the least. In your favor of course is your language skills,<br>
they<br>
> appear admirable! Please enjoy your past time by yourself...<br>
><br>
> Goodbye,<br>
><br>
> Frederick Louis Scoggins<br>
<br>
I'm not sure I must reply on this (since the author seemingly wanted <br>
just to slam the door behind himself and will hardly see my <br>
response), still thoughts that arise from reading this letter are <br>
something which may be of relevance for all of us.<br>
<br>
1. To start with, it's a pity that Frederick Louis Scoggins has left <br>
the group. Given the level of activity these days every new member <br>
is a plus for us and every lost member is a minus. Even a dilettante <br>
(sorry for this word, we all were it once) can make important <br>
contributions to the Gothic-L, if (s)he is but a bit serious about <br>
his/her Gothic interest.<br>
<br>
2. If memory serves I did never state "that the entire writings of <br>
Jordanes are accurate". Regarding the fragment in question I rather <br>
pointed out that "it [the speech] was never spoken in the form which <br>
is delivered to us by Jordanes. Perhaps, there was no speech at all <br>
[...] Whatever it was, let us FANCY [emphasizing now] that Attila <br>
did really speak a speech and that he spoke exactly what is written <br>
in Getica" (<a href="http://tech.">http://tech.</a> groups.yahoo. com/group/ gothic-<br>
l/message/9850) . Neither do I think that Getica is a piece of "cut <br>
and paste propaganda of a third rate political and religious hack <br>
who tried to deceive readers into accepting it as the condensed work <br>
of a lost Roman historian" (quoting Mr. Scoggins here). It was <br>
rather a typical early-medieval history work which mixed myth, <br>
legend and reality into one peculiar construction. And in doing so <br>
Jordanes was certainly not alone. Scholars have long learned to deal <br>
with this kind of documents distinguishing historical truth and <br>
mythologically resp. politically motivated issues. Mr. Scoggins <br>
should be advised to read some of the newest scientific literature <br>
on the subject.<br>
<br>
3. Regarding my alleged "fascist inclinations" (I can't help <br>
laughing now). I am sure if you knew me but a little more and off-<br>
list you would be laughing too. But seriously, if I were to take an <br>
offence from this and had to "fight back", I would remember that <br>
linking Germanic peoples with Sumerians (as well as with Atlanteans <br>
etc) is certainly one of Nazi and neo-Nazi idees fixes. I could <br>
remind you of an Austrian author (yimmakh shmo wezikro) who wrote <br>
several "historical" books where you can find it (e.g. he connects <br>
Sumerian epic hero Gilgamesh (earlier form Bilge-mies) with ON <br>
Bergelmir and deduces from this that Sumerians were a blond blue-<br>
eyed Aryan people of pure Nordic descend – sic!) along with his <br>
apologia for the Third Reich and the Holocaust denial. If this is <br>
not a pseudo-science, then what is?<br>
<br>
Calling someone a fascist (a Nazi) is a serious offence in some <br>
corners of the world. I must admit I was unwise enough to pronouce <br>
similar accusations in the past on this list (and that with much <br>
more reasons, believe me), something which I later regretted. Let's <br>
not repeat the mistake. Unfortunately there are more than enough <br>
Nazis on the Internet who overtly demonstrate and propagate their <br>
ideas and activities. Go there and fight them if you please. We <br>
certainly don't need them on this list, but neither would we be <br>
happy with paranoidal Nazi-hunting, I suppose. Equating Jordanes <br>
with Goering is something I just can't take serious. Maybe you mean <br>
Jordanes was a fat guy too ;-)?<br>
<br>
4. Thanks for the compliment to my language skills. I don't actually <br>
think they are so admirable, though. And, of course, I enjoy the <br>
flavor of the ancient languages, something which I hope I share with <br>
a number of people here. "Enjoying the past time" isn't that bad <br>
after all, is it?<br>
<br>
5. Finally, when making my translation and submitting it to this <br>
list I looked for and awaited your professional comments. I still <br>
await them. Do members of the Gothic-L have not a bit of interest in <br>
the Gothic language anymore? Are the only things we are still able <br>
to produce political reasonings and personal quarrels around non-<br>
existing problems like the one above? I beg you, my friends, let us <br>
turn to Gothic matters. We had some brilliant discussions in the <br>
past. Of course opinions may diverge (and that's good), still if <br>
your opponent disagrees with you it's not a reason to label <br>
him "Nazi", "Hun supporter", "Extra-terrestrial invader" etc <br>
nonsense. Let's be kind to each other.<br>
<br>
Gawairşi allaim<br>
<br>
Ualarauans<br>
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