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<p>your sayin what that getica is gothic or latin.....i said your translation looked like gothic....im not following you with this one.....and i was referring to fredric scoggins....<wbr>.????<br>
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ualarauans <<a href="mailto:ualarauans%40yahoo.com">ualarauans@yahoo.<wbr>com</a>> wrote: --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> getica looks pretty much like gothic to me.......whats up with <br>
fredric?<br>
<br>
Oscar, I must say that your way to express yourself is rather <br>
mysterious at times. Not long ago you told us that "assimilation and <br>
extermination are foolhardy words" reacting on my post where I spoke <br>
of the final fates of the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths in Spain and <br>
Italy respectively. I asked you then to explain why you think so, <br>
but you didn't. OK, let it be. Now you're telling that "getica looks <br>
pretty much like gothic to me". Should it be understood so that you <br>
find Latin of Getica as incomprehensible as Gothic, or that you <br>
think it is a genuine source for the Gothic history, or that in your <br>
opinion it was originally written in Gothic or by Goths, or what <br>
else? Secondly, whom do you referring to as Fredric (I suggest you <br>
capitalize the initial letters of the listmemvers' personal names, <br>
at the very least)? I may try to guess and think of either Fredrik <br>
(gadrauhts) or Frederick L. Scoggins. In both cases I don't <br>
know "what's up" with them. What do you mean, actually?<br>
<br>
Ualarauans<br>
<br>
> ualarauans <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote: --- In<br>
> <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Michael Erwin <merwin@...> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I would mention faura *andaruna or faura *andruna, thinking of<br>
> > andastaþjis and andstandjan, but I'm not sure whether the latter<br>
> two<br>
> > words are semantically related or just look that way.<br>
> <br>
> Andastaþjis "opponent", "enemy" and andstandan "to oppose", "to<br>
> stand against" are certainly related, both etymologically and<br>
> semantically. Look at p.t. stoþ "[I, he, she, it] stood" dropping<br>
> the nasal too.<br>
> <br>
> > Of course it's traditional to practice Gothic by translating the<br>
> > bible, but it's not that uncommon to try other sources. I've <br>
tried<br>
> > translating labor songs, and I'm wondering what sort of pseudo-<br>
> > historical theory could be read into that...<br>
> <br>
> I suggest you just have to try and see what you'll get in <br>
comments ;-<br>
> ). Seriously speaking, it would be great if people were more eager<br>
> to share their Gothic compositions with the group. I'm sure many of<br>
> us have some.<br>
> <br>
> Ualarauans<br>
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