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<p>Hi Lama,<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hey there, Ualarauans,<br>
> <br>
> I see I've got a bit of catching up reading recent posts! In the<br>
> meantime, another Germanic word for "deer" could be reconstructed <br>
as<br>
> <br>
> 'raiha' M. -an. (OE 'rá', earlier 'ráha'; OE 'ráh-déor'; <br>
ON 'rábukkr'<br>
> "roe-buck", OHG rêh, rêch - but 'rêho' "billy goat").<br>
> 'raih(j)o', F. -on. (OE 'ræ:ge', G 'Rehe' - but OHG 'rêia'"she-<br>
goat";<br>
> ON 'rá').<br>
> <br>
> Under Rehe, Grimm lists the following synonyms: ricke, rehe, <br>
hille, geisz.<br>
> <br>
> When I was working on that poem [<br>
> <a href="http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/drus.htm">http://www.oe.<wbr>eclipse.co.<wbr>uk/nom/drus.<wbr>htm</a> ], I didn't realise (or <br>
else<br>
> had forgotten) that the deer was female in Jordanes. I referred <br>
to it<br>
> as 'hairuts', 'raiha' and less specifically 'dius' "animal". So I<br>
> might have to revise that. Or just call it an alternative <br>
tradition...<br>
<br>
There's actually some evidence for an alternative tradition. In <br>
several versions of the deer-legend the animal could have been male. <br>
The Old Church Slavonic translation of the Simeon Logotheta's <br>
Chronicle (10th ct.) says: GotQi prêshídúshe Meotískoje jezero <br>
elafomí vodimi "The Goths (sic!) having crossed the Maeotic lake led <br>
by a deer (masculine)"<wbr>, where elafomí (instr. sg. of elafú*) is of <br>
course Greek ELAFOS which can be both masculine and feminine. The <br>
Hungarian legend mentions szarvas "stag" (see <br>
<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/message/4894">http://tech.<wbr>groups.yahoo.<wbr>com/group/<wbr>gothic-l/<wbr>message/4894</a>). Hungarian <br>
doesn't distinguish grammatical genders, but szarvas seems to be <br>
borrowed from a satem IE (Iranian?) masculine word cognate to Lat. <br>
cervus.<br>
<br>
Still, Sozomenus (Hist. Eccl. VI, 37) writes: ELAFOS DIAFUGOUSA <br>
(feminine). Procopius (Bell. Goth. IV, 5) writes: ELAFON DE MIAN <br>
PROS AUTWN FEUFOUSAN (feminine); THi ELAFWi EPISPESQAI TAUTHi <br>
(feminine). Agathias (Hist. V, 11): EITE hWS ALLHQWS ELAFOU TINOS <br>
KATA TOUTO DH TO QRULOUMENON TA PRWTA hHGHSAMENHS (feminine).<br>
<br>
> > *haíruts M.-a "deer" (ON hjörtr, OE heor(o)t, OHG hiruz). Seems <br>
OK<br>
> > semantically, but I am at a total loss with probable feminine.<br>
> > *hairuti F.-jo?<br>
> <br>
> It would be handy for my alliteration if we could find one. I <br>
wonder<br>
> what Grimm's 'hille' comes from.<br>
<br>
In MHG hilde, hille meant "eifrig", "rasch", "geschäftig". Is this <br>
it? Fick-Falk-Torp (1909) explain it as a probable cognate of PG <br>
*haldan with the original meaning "(Vieh) hüten".<br>
<br>
Ualarauans<br>
<br>
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