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<p>Hi, Ualarauans,<br>
<br>
There might be a connection between the Hungarian "szarvas" and <br>
Latin "cervus", but not so direct. szarvas is a derivative form <br>
szarv "horn, antler", the meaning being "having horns/antlers"<wbr>. As <br>
substantive it means "deer" (any gender), and as adjective: "with <br>
horns/antlers, horned", as in the compound szarvasmarha "horned <br>
cattle".<br>
The word szarv "horn" is common Finno-Ugrian, having cognates in all <br>
other Finno-Ugrian languages (Finnish: sarvi; Estonian: sarv; <br>
Livonian: so:ra, sa:ra; Saami [Lappish]: c^oar've; Mordvin: s'uro, <br>
s'ura; Mari [Cheremis]: s^ur; Udmurt: s'ur; Komi: s'ur; Khanty <br>
[Ostyak]: s'arBi; Mansi [Vogul]: s'o:re). This common Finno-Ugrian <br>
word is considered to be of Indo-European (satem, most probably <br>
Iranic) origin (cf. Avestan sru:, srva:, Mod. Pers. seru:, suru:[n]; <br>
other cognates mentioned there are Latin cervus and German Horn). <br>
(source: A Magyar Nyelv Történeti-Etimoló<wbr>giai Szótára [The Historical-<br>
Etymological Dictionary of the Hungarian Language], Akadémiai Kiadó, <br>
Budapest, 1976)<br>
The old Hungarian chronicles mentioning the deer-legend were written <br>
in Latin, the oldest of them being that of Simon de Keza (written <br>
1282-1285) (followed by the Chronicon Hungariae Pictum / Painted <br>
Chronicle of Vienna, written around 1360, etc.). Until now, I have <br>
found only modern Hungarian translations of Keza's work, where the <br>
animal appears sometimes as "gímszarvas" (stag), sometimes <br>
as "szarvas ünö" (doe). But, finally, I have found the Latin text, <br>
only a part of it, but containing the passage of interest <br>
(<a href="http://www.konyv-e.hu/pdf/Kezai-latin-r.pdf">http://www.konyv-<wbr>e.hu/pdf/<wbr>Kezai-latin-<wbr>r.pdf</a>): there is clearly about <br>
a "cerva" ! The passage reads:<br>
"Accidit autem dierum una venandi causa ipsos perrexisse; quibus in <br>
deserto cum cerva occurrisset, in paludes Meotidas illam insequentes, <br>
fugiit ante eos. Cumque ibi ab oculis eorum prorsus vanuisset, <br>
diutius requisitam invenire nullo modo potuerunt. Peragratis tandem <br>
paludibus memoratis pro armentis nutriendis ipsam conspexerant <br>
oportunam."<br>
The influence of Iordanes is obvious.<br>
<br>
Francisc<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
> ...<br>
> There's actually some evidence for an alternative tradition. In <br>
> several versions of the deer-legend the animal could have been <br>
male. <br>
> The Old Church Slavonic translation of the Simeon Logotheta's <br>
> Chronicle (10th ct.) says: GotQi pręshídúshe Meotískoje jezero <br>
> elafomí vodimi "The Goths (sic!) having crossed the Maeotic lake <br>
led <br>
> by a deer (masculine)"<wbr>, where elafomí (instr. sg. of elafú*) is of <br>
> course Greek ELAFOS which can be both masculine and feminine. The <br>
> Hungarian legend mentions szarvas "stag" (see <br>
> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/message/4894">http://tech.<wbr>groups.yahoo.<wbr>com/group/<wbr>gothic-l/<wbr>message/4894</a>). <br>
Hungarian <br>
> doesn't distinguish grammatical genders, but szarvas seems to be <br>
> borrowed from a satem IE (Iranian?) masculine word cognate to Lat. <br>
> cervus.<br>
> ...<br>
<br>
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