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Hello again,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the site addresses. I have gone from clueless to over-clued<br>
in a week. I took a quick look at the sites and I think they will be<br>
very helpful in my story. Thanks for all your help. I appreciate it.<br>
<br>
Tom.<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> In the Gothic Bible, 'žiudans' is used of a king who goes to war:<br>
><br>
> aižžau hvas žiudans gaggands stigqan wižra anžarana<br>
žiudan du wiganna,<br>
> niu gasitands fauržis žankeiž, siaiu mahteigs miž taihun<br>
žusundjom<br>
> gamotjan žamma miž twaim tigum žusundjo gaggandin ana sik?<br>
><br>
> Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down<br>
> first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him<br>
> that cometh against him with twenty thousand?<br>
><br>
> Luke 14:31<br>
><br>
> 'frauja' "lord" is also used with no Greek model for the noun in a<br>
> military context (II Tim 2:4). I'm not sure whether 'reiks' is used<br>
> anywhere in an explicitly military context.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "Ingemar Nordgren" ingemar@ wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Lothian,<br>
> ><br>
> > I am not a linguist but as far as I know they were reiks also when<br>
> > leading a war expedition. Their sacral king, however, was never<br>
> > allowed to leave his own territory when the people was permanently<br>
> > settled, but had to order a reiks to take command. During the<br>
> > wandering, according to Getica at least, the žiušans was<br>
sacral king<br>
> > and he used 'kings of the army' to lead parts of the united army<br>
(like<br>
> > e.g. Cniva as Wolfram suggests) but I do not know their title in<br>
> > Gothic. Later, after the split between Greutungi/Ostrogoth<wbr>s and<br>
> > Vesi/Tervingi the Ostrogothic king seems to have behaved like an<br>
> > odinistic king while the Vesi had a kindins, family-leader or<br>
> > clan-chief, executing the functions of a sacral king.The Ostrogothic<br>
> > king accordingly seems to have been a reiks continously and from<br>
> > Alaric also the Visgothic king was a reiks, but within<br>
Gutžiuša the<br>
> > tribal chiefs were reiks/kunigaz and so was the kindins (for his own<br>
> > tribe only). Draughtin, Sw. drott, normally is the second in command<br>
> > to the king, he is an earl/jarl, but drott may as well be used to<br>
> > mean a king, a ruler. I never, however, saw this title in connection<br>
> > with an Eastgermanic people. Accordingly I dare not say if it ever<br>
was<br>
> > used with the Goths. The classical authors use dux when describing<br>
the<br>
> > leaders just below the king.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best wishes<br>
> > Ingemar<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "the_lothian" <the_lothian@<wbr>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Greetings,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I am so glad I found this site. I am in the process of writing a<br>
> > > historical novel set during the reign of Constantina I. My goal is<br>
> > > to make it as historically accurate as possible. In line with<br>
that,<br>
> > > I know that the Goths had Reiks, which I think were similar to<br>
tribal<br>
> > > chiefs. I know that when the Goths went to war the war-chiefs<br>
> > > carried the title of Draughtin.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > My question is, did Draughtin replace Reik as the title or was it<br>
> > > added to the title?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In example:<br>
> > > Would Reik Larry become Draughtin Larry when they went to war, or<br>
> > > would he become Draughtin-Reik Larry, (like Governor-General) at<br>
war.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Is there anyone reading these who can help?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Thanks,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Tom<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
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