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Hails, Walawulf!<br>
<br>
I can't see what direct etymological connection there could be between<br>
ON 'skyrsi' and Go. 'skohsl'. If there is any kinship, perhaps it's<br>
just shared sound symbolism [<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_symbolism">http://en.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Sound_symbolism</a> ]. Grimm also mentions ON<br>
'skass' = 'skars' "witch, troll". And compare OE 'sceocca', 'scucca'<br>
"devil, monster" (Modern English 'shuck'), and derivatives of OE<br>
'scín-' with connotations of magic, illusion, phantoms. But maybe such<br>
names for frightning beings were liable to unusual changes if people<br>
had a superstitious fear of using what they felt was the thing's true<br>
name in case that attracted its attention; euphemistic names were<br>
certainly used of dangerous animals such as wolves. Diefenbach<br>
mentions Swedish wood spirits called 'skogsnerte' and 'skogsnufva'<wbr>,<br>
and various Slavic names for spirits with the element -kus-, -kuz-,<br>
-kud-, as well as the Slavic verb 'skakati' "to jump".<br>
<br>
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=1LAJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA954&lpg=PA954">http://books.<wbr>google.com/<wbr>books?id=<wbr>1LAJAAAAQAAJ&<wbr>pg=PA954&<wbr>lpg=PA954</a><br>
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ZqAFAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA260">http://books.<wbr>google.com/<wbr>books?id=<wbr>ZqAFAAAAQAAJ&<wbr>pg=RA1-PA260</a><br>
<br>
Lama Nom<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Valulfr_Vaerulsson@<wbr>... wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hails Ualarauans,<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for clearing that up, I think I picked up the association<br>
from Grimm. <br>
> After looking into this further I found this from the<br>
Cleasby-Vigfusson O.Ice.<br>
> dictionary - <br>
> <br>
> SKYRSI, n. [akin to Ulf. skohsl; Germ. scheusal] :-- a portent,<br>
phantasm, as<br>
> also mischance arising from witchery; ţeir ţóttusk náliga brenna ok<br>
óttuđusk<br>
> ţann atburđ sem skussi (= skyrsi), as a bad omen,.....<br>
> <br>
> Walawulfs<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Quoting ualarauans <ualarauans@<wbr>...>:<br>
> <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "Valulfr Vaerulsson" <br>
> > <Valulfr_Vaerulsson<wbr>@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I have a question about the etymology of the word 'skohsl', is<br>
this a<br>
> > > word Ulfilas made up to denote 'a demon', and if not, where does it<br>
> > > derive?<br>
> > <br>
> > I think he just took the word already existent and changed its <br>
> > meaning. Adding the suffix –sl was not his way of forming new words <br>
> > afaik. It is generally believed that skoh-sl is derived from PIE<br>
> > *(s)kek- "to jump", "to move quickly (= to run)", "to shiver"<br>
> > (#922 in Pokorny). G. Köbler offers the same etymology.<br>
> > Cf. also OSlav. skakati "to jump".<br>
> > <br>
> > Looks like Go. skohsl could originally pertain to persons suffering <br>
> > from a certain mental desease, very reminiscent of OIrish geilt and <br>
> > related mythological motifs of "The Wild Man in the Wood". No wonder <br>
> > Wulfila picked up this term to refer to those possessed by the devils <br>
> > (Mt. 8:31) and *running* from the tombs (us hlaiwasnom rinnandans). <br>
> > <br>
> > > In the semantic field, this word came down into Old Norse as<br>
> > > 'skógi', or 'forest'.<br>
> > <br>
> > Very implausible. Theoretically, it could be vice versa. *Skôgaz > <br>
> > *skôh-sla, that is. "Wood thing" > "wood dweller" = "one banished<br>
from <br>
> > the community and living in the periphery", "outlaw". Cf. ON vargr = <br>
> > heiđingi < *heiđ-gengi, "heath-walker"<wbr>, i.e. "one who dwells in the <br>
> > wasteland".<br>
> > <br>
> > > Perhaps it was thought that 'things', spirits<br>
> > > and so forth, living in the forest were to be avoided, not sure.<br>
> > <br>
> > Forest was thought of as a dangerous place to go, no doubt.<br>
> > <br>
> > Ualarauans<br>
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