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--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Justïn <justinelf@.<wbr>..> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Is number 2. not triu? I stumbled across it in the Wright link <br>
> actually, but I may be mistaken. Would 6. be aul? This is really <br>
> embarrassing.<wbr>..I'm working on the rest, at work right now so far away <br>
> from my Bennett text...<br>
> Again, this is my first attempt, so as embarrassing as it is <br>
> hopefully I'll learn...<br>
<br>
Ah, no need for embarrassment! I was just thinking of it as an<br>
excercise in phonetic reconstruction. In other words, what would a<br>
Gothic cognate of (word descended from the same Proto-Germanic<br>
ancestor as) Modern English 'wood' look like? But you're right 'triu'<br>
does mean "a tree" or "a stick". I guess that illustrates another<br>
issue in reconstruction: where a word already exists in the same<br>
semantic field, how might that have related to the meaning of a<br>
hypothetical, reconstructed Gothic cognate? Does that make sense?<br>
<br>
In this case, it seems that the better attested early Germanic<br>
languages did have a few partly overlapping words in this senantic<br>
field, e.g. Old Norse has a word 'viðr' which is cognate with 'wood',<br>
as well as a word 'tré' congate with English 'tree'. So there's<br>
nothing improbably about supposing Gothic had cognates for both, even<br>
though only one, 'triu', is recorded.<br>
<br>
Number 6 is probably the sneakiest one; um, sorry about that... <br>
('bath' is much simpler!) A few different derivatives exist in<br>
Germanic from the same (probbaly onomatapoeic) root, but working back<br>
from Modern English 'owl', Old Saxon 'ûuuila', Old High German 'ûwila'<br>
you could reconstruct Proto-Germanic *'uwwilôn', or for English<br>
perhaps *'uwwalôn', since it doesn't show i-mutation (=i-umlaut) of<br>
the root vowel. The Scandinavian forms also lack i-mutation, and thus<br>
might also come from a form without 'i' in the suffix. Alternatively<br>
the lack of i-mutation in OE and ON might be due to an early loss of<br>
the medial (middle syllable) vowel -i- in the suffix. So I'd<br>
tentatively go with Proto-Germanic *'uwwilôn' (weak noun, feminine<br>
on-stem), but keep an open mind that a Gothic derivative might have<br>
existed with a different vowel (namely a back vowel) in the suffix in<br>
place of 'i'. The clue to the root of the hypothetical Gothic form<br>
though is in Old Norse 'ugla' and especially (Old) Swedish 'uggla'. <br>
These show a sound change common to North and East Germanic whereby<br>
'ww' > 'ggw', as described by Wright. In Old Norse, the medial vowel<br>
of the suffix has been lost, which is normal, but presumably it would<br>
have been present in Gothic (compare 'mawilo' "little girl"), and the<br>
'w' has been dropped, as always between two consonants. So, I'd<br>
reconstruct Gothic *'uggwilo': weak noun, feminine on-stem, i.e.<br>
declined like 'mawilo', 'tuggo', etc. One last clue is the Catalan<br>
word 'òliba', which it's been suggested may be derived from the Gothic<br>
word for owl [<br>
<a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0406&L=gothic-l&P=284">http://listserv.<wbr>linguistlist.<wbr>org/cgi-bin/<wbr>wa?A2=ind0406&<wbr>L=gothic-<wbr>l&P=284</a><br>
]. If so, it's obviously been through some rearrangement, so we<br>
probably can't read too much into this, but still, it does have 'i'<br>
for its medial vowel. I wonder if any earlier forms of this word are<br>
recorded. Anyway, that's what I'd do.<br>
<br>
LN<br>
<br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> > Clue for Number 6: see Wright § 151.<br>
> > <br>
> > <a href="http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/png/goth_wright/b0071.png">http://lexicon.<wbr>ff.cuni.cz/<wbr>png/goth_<wbr>wright/b0071.<wbr>png</a><br>
> > <a href="http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/png/goth_wright/b0072.png">http://lexicon.<wbr>ff.cuni.cz/<wbr>png/goth_<wbr>wright/b0072.<wbr>png</a><br>
> > <br>
> > Clue for Number 4: compare the Modern English verb 'to lay' and <br>
> cognates.<br>
> > <br>
> > > 1. bath<br>
> > > 2. wood<br>
> > > 3. dwarf<br>
> > > 4. edge<br>
> > > 5. elbow<br>
> > > 6. owl<br>
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