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<p>My first response when I saw the sentence was "hmm, I'll need to look <br>
up "bathe" and try to reconstruct it now..." I thought "take a bath" <br>
was too much of an English idiom to translate it, actually. Bathe <br>
came up on the etymological dictionary I used when I first looked <br>
up "bath" so I assumed that would have been the word, but them I'm <br>
far from acting out of my own insight at this point.<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > 1. Early morning I take a bath<br>
> <br>
> [...]<br>
> <br>
> > Don't use the <br>
> > pronoun (it's the same as e.g. in Spanish). That is, "I take" <br>
> > is 'nima' (from 'niman' "to take").<br>
> <br>
> Or maybe better to reconstruct a hypothetical cognate of Modern<br>
> English 'bathe' and say literally "I bathe myself"? OE. bažian, ON.<br>
> baša, OHG. badōn, bathōn, Mod.G. baden, Du. baden would give us in<br>
> Gothic a Weak Class 2 verb, *bažon, with which you'd use the <br>
reflexive<br>
> pronoun for the object (as in Icelandic: ég baša mig), thus Gothic:<br>
> air uhtwon bažo mik. The reflexive pronoun is typically placed<br>
> directly after the verb in this sort of context. We can tell this<br>
> because Gothic often uses a verb + reflexive pronoun to translate<br>
> Greek middle voice verbs, so in this instance the Gothic translation<br>
> isn't being influenced by the Greek word order.<br>
> <br>
> It's not actually incorrect to use the pronoun 'ik nima', 'ik *bažo<br>
> mik', just (as in Spanish) more emphatic probably than it would be <br>
in<br>
> English. But it's hard to be sure of natural Gothic syntax because <br>
the<br>
> main surviving text is a vey literal translation from Greek, so it<br>
> tends to use pronouns most of the time only where the Greek has a<br>
> pronoun. There are a few examples where pronouns are used in the<br>
> Gothic where they aren't in the Greek though (and it's much rarer <br>
for<br>
> pronouns to appear in the closest Greek versions where they're <br>
absent<br>
> in the Gothic), which all seems to suggest that pronouns where more<br>
> likely to be used in Gothic than in New Testament Greek. There's <br>
also<br>
> a tendency been observed by Gisella Farraresi whereby examples of<br>
> Gothic subject pronouns in subordinate clauses that appear where the<br>
> Greek has none occur when there is a chance of subject between the<br>
> main clause and the subordinate clause. Again this suggests that the<br>
> difference between Gothic and Greek texts is due to more than chance<br>
> and probably can't be accounted for entirely by accidents in the<br>
> transmission of the text. That said, there are great uncertainties<br>
> over just how much subject pronouns would have been used in natural<br>
> Gothic. Perhaps less than Old English, given the fact that Old <br>
English<br>
> literal Bible glosses such as the Lindesfarne Gospels do feel the <br>
need<br>
> to insert pronouns regularly in contrast to their Latin originals.<br>
> <br>
> LN<br>
><br>
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