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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I am deeply impressed.<br>
<br>
I'd better warn you: the more I write, the more my immense ignorance<br>
will show ;-)<br>
<br>
> So you are through with your Aztec torment, <br>
> unlike me. Everyone saying that Gothic is difficult should be <br>
> immediately reminded of the existence of Nahuatl.<br>
> <br>
> A couple remarks. Ilnâmiqui is "to remember", right? Niquilnâmiqui <br>
> țis (or țata) [ik] ga-man?<br>
<br>
Yes, of course. That's what I had in mind as you could tell by the<br>
genitive: 'țis/țata gaman' "I remember it" = ni-qu-ilnâmiqui. Or in my<br>
case, 'țamma ufarmunnoda' "I forgot"... That said, Wimmer does have<br>
"se souvenir de, penser à" for 'ilnâmiqui', so maybe an acceptable (or<br>
preferable even?) alternative would be 'bi țata țagkja'.<br>
<br>
> Iirc 'cân' can be both directional and stative. I mean weren't it <br>
> better to say 'țarei' with 'ainshun ni gaswiltiț' and 'manna sigis <br>
> nimiț'?<br>
<br>
I'm sure you're right: I have extremely limited experience of reading<br>
Classical Nahuatl; I just looked up the individual words and consulted<br>
some Spanish translations online, and I don't have the experience<br>
necessary to know how the language works on a broader scale. I took<br>
these two descriptions of the place to be in apposition and both<br>
dependent on the subsquent clause with 'in mâ oncân ni-(y)âuh'. But<br>
maybe the syntax is looser than that? More like:<br>
<br>
"[oh, just imagine that place] where no one dies / where there's no death,<br>
there where there is victory / where one is victorious.<br>
Let me go there. / Could I but go there."<br>
<br>
And as an alternative to '(ei) wainei gangau', maybe we could have<br>
'*țaț let mik gangan' "thither let me go" to vary the vocabulary a bit.<br>
<br>
> Is it the 'îchân tônatiuh', the place? An interesting parallel <br>
> between 'in yâômiqui' and einherjar...<br>
<br>
Are you familiar with the cartoon Ren and Stimpy? This reminds me of<br>
the episode of that where they're space-travellers and Stimpy is<br>
granted a wish, so he wishes they could go to "a place where there is<br>
no sadness and the sun always shines"--which the wish-granting entity<br>
promptly fulfills by sending them hurtling into the heart of the sun!<br>
<br>
Now, the real challenge will be translating the hymn to the 400<br>
Rabbits, tôtôchtin, of Drunkanness, which begins:<br>
<br>
Yyaha, yya yya, yya ayya, ayya ouiya, ayya yya, ayya yya, yyauiyya,<br>
ayya ayya, yya ayya, yya yya yye.<br>
<br>
"Wai! Wai! etc."<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/aztec/rva/rva17.htm">http://www.sacred-<wbr>texts.com/<wbr>nam/aztec/<wbr>rva/rva17.<wbr>htm</a><br>
<br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > [...]<br>
> > Meanwhile here's my woeful attempt at<br>
> > Nahuatl into Gothic. It's one of the poems ascribed to <br>
> Nezahualcoyôtl.<br>
> > <br>
> > Țaurstei du undiwanein.<br>
> > <br>
> > Nîhuinti, nichôca, nicnotlamati,<br>
> > nicmati, niquihtoa, niquilnâmiqui.<br>
> > Mâca aîc nimiqui. Mâca aîc nipolihui.<br>
> > In cân ahmicôhua, in cân ontepêtîhua,<br>
> > in mâ oncân niâuh.<br>
> > Mâca aîc nimiqui. Mâca aîc nipolihui.<br>
> > <br>
> > Drugkans im, greta, țata țula,<br>
> > țata wait(1), țata qița, țis man.<br>
> > Wainei aiw ni gaswiltau! Wainei aiw ni usleițau!<br>
> > Țadei ainshun ni gaswiltiț,<br>
> > in țana staț, țadei manna sigis nimiț(2),<br>
> > ei wainei gangau!<br>
> > Wainei aiw ni gaswiltau! Wainei aiw ni usleițau!<br>
><br>
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