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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Old English turns the -tig of the cardinal decades into -tigoþa for<br>
> the ordinals: twéntigoþa, þrittigoþa, féowertigoþa, fíftigoþa, ...,<br>
> hundtéontiogoþ<wbr>a. When combined with a unit, either the decade or <br>
the<br>
> unit, there are two possibilities: twá and twenigoþa; óþer éac<br>
> twentigum. Old High German has: zweinzugôsto, drîzugôsto, ...,<br>
> zehanzugôsto. Units are added without a conjunction: niunzugôsto<br>
> fiordo. Old Norse adds the suffix -andi: tuttugandi, þrítugandi,<br>
> fertugandi, fimmtugandi, ... The ordinals of 100 and 1000 aren't<br>
> recorded in Old Norse, but Modern Icelandic has: hundraðasti,<br>
> þúsundasti. It turns both decades and units into ordinals and <br>
places<br>
> them either way round: tuttugandi ok fyrstr, fyrstr ok tuttugandi.<br>
> <br>
> Which gives us a few possibilities for Gothic. Maybe we should <br>
avoid<br>
> working backwards from Old Norse -gandi on the assumption that this<br>
> could be a later form created by analogy with the teens. -da is<br>
> attested as an ordinal suffix in Gothic, so we could reconstruct<br>
> *-tiguþa (with devoicing of /d/ to /þ/ according to the usual rule <br>
of<br>
> dissimilation)<wbr>, or possibly *-tiguda (with restoration of /d/ by<br>
> analogy). Or, on the basis of Old High German, we could reconstruct<br>
> *-tugosta.<br>
> <br>
> *twai-tiguþa<br>
> *twai-tigosta<br>
<br>
OE twén- and OHG zwein- seem to suggest some weird form of "two". <br>
Maybe, Go. *twaina-? Or *twi- like in ON? And why the geminated -tt- <br>
(tuttugu)? Couldn't it be in Gothic (*twittigosta)<wbr>?<br>
<br>
What about "three" in "thirty"? *þreitigosta (like OHG) or <br>
*þrittigoda (like OE)?<br>
<br>
Looks like there was no pan-Germanic archetyp for ordinals over 19, <br>
right?<br>
<br>
> Alternatively it might be better to dodge the issue of suffixes and<br>
> reconstructions and just assume that the word for decade remained a<br>
> noun still in Gothic, as with ordinals: anþar tigus, þridja <br>
tigus, ...<br>
> etc. Compare the Old Norse idiom: hálfr þriði tøgr manna "25 men"<br>
> (literally "half [of] the third decade of men); hálft annat hundrat<br>
> "150" (literally "half [of] the second hundred).<br>
<br>
In which case we'd say sa aiws twaddje tigiwe hunde aþne usliþanaize <br>
fram X''au gabauranamma? Reminds me of the speech of the Maya shaman <br>
in Apocalypto :) The year 2008 – þata anþarþûsundjosto jah ahtudo <br>
jer aldais X''aus? Or, alternatively, "twos þûsundjos jere jah nauh <br>
ahtau usliþana waurþun und hita fram jainai naht in Nazaraiþ, <br>
jah ... (you tell what happens in 2008)" :)<br>
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