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<p>Dear "Llama nom"<br>
<br>
So this would give:<br>
<br>
1st fruma<br>
<br>
2nd anþar<br>
<br>
3rd þridja<br>
<br>
4th fidworda<br>
<br>
5th fimfta<br>
<br>
6th saihsta<br>
<br>
7th sibunda<br>
<br>
8th ahtuda<br>
<br>
9th niunda<br>
<br>
10th taihunda<br>
<br>
11th ainlifta<br>
<br>
12th twalifta<br>
<br>
13th þridjataihunda<br>
<br>
14th fidwordataihunda<br>
<br>
15th fimftataihunda<br>
<br>
16th saihstataihunda<br>
<br>
17th sibundataihunda<br>
<br>
18th ahtudataihunda<br>
<br>
19th niundataihunda<br>
<br>
20th twai tigjuda (Verner's law þ > d?; or anþara tigjuda, like fimfta-taihunda instead of fimf-taihunda ?)<br>
<br>
21st twai tigjuda jah fruma<br>
<br>
22nd twai tigjuda jah anþar<br>
<br>
23rd twai tigjuda jah þridja<br>
<br>
24th twai tigjuda jah fidworda<br>
<br>
25th twai tigjuda jah fimfta<br>
<br>
26th twai tigjuda jah saihsta<br>
<br>
27th twai tigjuda jah sibunda<br>
<br>
28th twai tigjuda jah ahtuda<br>
<br>
29th twai tigjuda jah niunda<br>
<br>
30th þreis tigjuda (or þridja tigjuda ?)<br>
<br>
31st þreis tigjuda jah fruma<br>
<br>
40th fidwor tigjuda (or fidworda tigjuda ?)<br>
<br>
50th fimf tigjuda (or fimfta tigjuda ?)<br>
<br>
60th saihs tigjuda (or saihsta tigjuda ?)<br>
<br>
70th sibuntehunda<br>
<br>
80th ahtautehunda<br>
<br>
90th niuntehunda<br>
<br>
100th hundada?<br>
<br>
200th twa hundada?<br>
<br>
300th<br>
<br>
400th<br>
<br>
500th<br>
<br>
600th<br>
<br>
700th<br>
<br>
800th<br>
<br>
900th<br>
<br>
1000th þusundida?<br>
<br>
2000th <br>
<br>
Quite difficult :)))<br>
<br>
Liebe Grüße<br>
<br>
Manie<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: llama_nom <br>
To: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a> <br>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:27 AM<br>
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: century, events, deaths<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Or alds (like Icelandic öld, which can mean both "era, age" and<br>
> > "century", nítjánda öldin "the 19th century"), or if the context<br>
> > didn't make it clear whether you were meant "era" or "century", you<br>
> > could always go with the obvious: taihuntehund jere "a hundred <br>
> years",<br>
> > twa hunda jere "two hundred years", etc.<br>
> <br>
> alds seems OK. BTW I wanted to construct an example with "the 20th <br>
> century" and it turned out that I don't know how to <br>
> say "twentieth". "nineteenth" is *niuntaihunda (weak adj.), from <br>
> *niuntaihun "19" and not to confuse with niuntehund "90". In writing, <br>
> you could probably just write sa .k. aiws / so .k. alds, but how to <br>
> say it? The same concerns "30th", "40th" etc. Any ideas?<br>
<br>
Old English turns the -tig of the cardinal decades into -tigoþa for<br>
the ordinals: twéntigoþa, þrittigoþa, féowertigoþa, fíftigoþa, ...,<br>
hundtéontiogoþ<wbr>a. When combined with a unit, either the decade or the<br>
unit, there are two possibilities: twá and twenigoþa; óþer éac<br>
twentigum. Old High German has: zweinzugôsto, drîzugôsto, ...,<br>
zehanzugôsto. Units are added without a conjunction: niunzugôsto<br>
fiordo. Old Norse adds the suffix -andi: tuttugandi, þrítugandi,<br>
fertugandi, fimmtugandi, ... The ordinals of 100 and 1000 aren't<br>
recorded in Old Norse, but Modern Icelandic has: hundraðasti,<br>
þúsundasti. It turns both decades and units into ordinals and places<br>
them either way round: tuttugandi ok fyrstr, fyrstr ok tuttugandi.<br>
<br>
Which gives us a few possibilities for Gothic. Maybe we should avoid<br>
working backwards from Old Norse -gandi on the assumption that this<br>
could be a later form created by analogy with the teens. -da is<br>
attested as an ordinal suffix in Gothic, so we could reconstruct<br>
*-tiguþa (with devoicing of /d/ to /þ/ according to the usual rule of<br>
dissimilation)<wbr>, or possibly *-tiguda (with restoration of /d/ by<br>
analogy). Or, on the basis of Old High German, we could reconstruct<br>
*-tugosta.<br>
<br>
*twai-tiguþa<br>
*twai-tigosta<br>
<br>
Alternatively it might be better to dodge the issue of suffixes and<br>
reconstructions and just assume that the word for decade remained a<br>
noun still in Gothic, as with ordinals: anþar tigus, þridja tigus, ...<br>
etc. Compare the Old Norse idiom: hálfr þriði tøgr manna "25 men"<br>
(literally "half [of] the third decade of men); hálft annat hundrat<br>
"150" (literally "half [of] the second hundred).<br>
<br>
LN<br>
<br>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br>
<br>
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