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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Sophus Bugge proposed Go. *Rusmunans "de rødlige" (the ruddy ones),<br>
> and this was the idea that I went with in an earlier version of <br>
Drus<br>
> Griutunge (before they were replaced with other tribes for metrical<br>
> reasons...), as it was the most detailed argument that I'd read, <br>
and<br>
> didn't seem unreasonable.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
<a href="http://www.heimskringla.no/norsk/AFNF/oplysningeromnordensoldtidhosjo">http://www.heimskri<wbr>ngla.no/norsk/<wbr>AFNF/oplysninger<wbr>omnordensoldtidh<wbr>osjo</a><br>
rdanes.php<br>
> <a href="http://runeberg.org/anf/1883/">http://runeberg.<wbr>org/anf/1883/</a><br>
<br>
What makes me rather incredulous towards Bugge's theory is that the <br>
forms attested in the codices all have what seems to be a bindvowel <br>
between ros- and –moni/-mani. He doesn't address this problem (the <br>
OHG rosamo is, of course, irrelevant). Besides, I'd hesitate to buy <br>
his explanation on *rusma(n)- > *rusmuna. Why the a > u? Bugge <br>
explains it as a "weakening" (svækkelse) and compares with it Go. <br>
glitmunjan (< *glitma, OHG glizemo). BUT: there's no *glitmuna M-an. <br>
I'd rather think of *glitmuni F.-jo "spark", after <br>
lauhmuni "lightning", from which in its turn we can reconstruct <br>
*lauhmunjan "to emit lightning". Perhaps ainummehun vs. ainamma is <br>
another example of this weakening. In which case I'd think that this <br>
word (*Rusmunans) must have been an old one, an item of the basic <br>
inherited vocabulary. That is, it wasn't coined ad hoc to refer to a <br>
certain "reddish" tribe in the Dnieperian Gutþiuda. Or was the <br>
weakening still a working process as late as that? And, how do we <br>
interpret the 'gens'? Was it a (non-Gothic) tribe, a (presumably <br>
Gothic, or at least East Germanic) clan (Go. kuni) or what? In favor <br>
of the second assumption can be the fact that the known Rosomonian <br>
names look Germanic. But this is also not certain (e.g. Sarus may <br>
well be from Iranian sar- (Oss. sær) "head", "leader") and, even <br>
being true, not decisive.<br>
<br>
His research of the Old Germanic color symbolism is interesting <br>
("red one" = "traitor", sen. McCarthy lässt grüssen), though one-<br>
sided, to support his idea of the reddish gens infida. I'm sure <br>
there are a lot of positive connotations as well. E.g. the red beard <br>
of Thor.<br>
<br>
BTW, true or not in this particular case, it's interesting how red <br>
is connected with this region, throughout history :D<br>
<br>
Below is the relevant passage from Sophus Bugge's article. Everybody <br>
can test one's skill of reading Danish in the old orthography :))<br>
<br>
Jeg vender nu tilbage til det gotiske Navn, som Jordanes har <br>
gjengivet ved Rosomoni. *Rusmunans, i Ental *Rusmuna er dannet af <br>
*rusma = oht. rosamo ved Suffixet an, det samme Suffix, hvorved i <br>
Oldnorsk f. Ex. Tilnavnet blesi er dannet af bles Blis, faxi af fax. <br>
Derved at dette Suffix, som oprindelig havde Hovedtonen, traadte <br>
til, kom Stammen rusman her til at optræde i den svækkede Form <br>
rusmun-. Saaledes er i got. glitmunjan glinse Substantivstammen <br>
glitman (jfr. oht. glizemo Glans) svækket til glitmun-. Den samme <br>
Svækkelse til -mun- er foran Suffixet da indtraadt i oht. hliumunt <br>
(ældre germansk Stamme hleumunda), nht. Leumund i Forhold til got. <br>
hliuma, Stamme hliuman, Hørsel.<br>
<br>
Efter Jordanes's Gjengivelse Rosomonorum var en gotisk Form <br>
*Rusmunôs i og for sig mulig, men af Hensyn til Orddannelsen synes <br>
en saadan Form mig mindre sandsynlig. [But why? *Rusmunans synes <br>
ikke sandsynliger – Ual.]<br>
<br>
Naar Rosomoni, got. *Rusmunans er en Afledning af *rusma = oht. <br>
rosamo, Rødhed, Rust, Fregne, saa maa hint Stammenavn betegne "de <br>
rødlige", med Hensyn til Haarets eller til Hudens - mulig til <br>
begges - Farve, eller "de Fregnede" (18). [Skin color? I didn't know <br>
there were Indians over there :) – Ual.].<br>
<br>
18) Jacob Grimm (i Kuhns Zeitschr. I, 438) har til rosennun <br>
lentiginem Graff II, 548, der er Sideform til rosomon, henført <br>
Kvindenavnet Rosanna cod. Lauresham. No. 2770 og 3565 (8de Aarh.), <br>
hvilket han forstaar som "nicht sowohl eine sommersprossige frau als <br>
eine rothwangige"<wbr>. Uden fuld Grund vil Grimm skrive rôsamo med langt <br>
ô. Grimm vil endog til rosennun henføre de frankiske Navne <br>
Baudorosena, Theodorosena, Flavarasena, Dagarasena, Modorosena. Men <br>
de udelukkende frankiske Navnedannelser vise paa Grund af Berørelse <br>
med Romaner mange ugermanske Eiendommeligheder. Navnene paa<br>
-rasena, -rosena er saaledes sandsynligvis romanske Omdannelser af <br>
germanske Navne paa -râda. Jfr. Dagarasena med Tagarât, Theodorosena <br>
med Theuderâda o. s. v. Lignende Omdannelse forekommer i det <br>
frankiske Navn Bransin (Forstemann S. 281) i Forhold til Brand.<br>
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