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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> [...] <br>
> BTW, do you have any idea of Ovida? Anything to do with haubiş?<br>
<br>
I hadn't looked into that one, but it seems possible, phonetically,<br>
with Austrogothic monophthongisation. Or if Odiva is the correct form,<br>
could it be *Auda-weiwa, or something like that?<br>
<br>
> > *Sarus, *Sarila, *Sarula, man. Jord. Sarus; Wz. Sarilo; OIc. Sörli;<br>
> > Lat. Sarus, a Gothic warlord; Go. sarwa, na.pl. `armour'.<br>
> <br>
> If true, it should be *Sarws, no? And diminutive - *Sarwila?<br>
<br>
We had this same dilemma with the adjectives *falwaz and *salwaz, and,<br>
as far as I can remember, I don't think we came to any definite<br>
conclusions. I the current version of Drus, I've still got them as<br>
wa-stems (salwo, falwans (cf. *falwiska in Köbler)), but there is a<br>
case for making them into u-stems, so maybe I should have *saljo and<br>
*faljans after all. *Sarus would certainly be in keeping with skadus <<br>
*skadwaz. I can't find a clear explanation of this, but could it be<br>
that [w] became [u], in this position between a consonant and final<br>
/s/ or nothing, after a short *root* rather than (as sometimes stated)<br>
simply after a short syllable. So we have triggws, lasiws and şiwadw<br>
but skadus (also attested in the dative as skadau). It's a pity there<br>
aren't more examples to judge from, so we could tell whether this was<br>
a general rule, and whether it was applied to wa-stem edjectives too.<br>
For want of more clues, my preference would be *Sarus since this form<br>
is attested, not only for the legendary figure here, but also for a<br>
historical Visigothic leader.<br>
<br>
> > *Hamaşius, mwa., *Hamişeis, mja., *Hamişa, man., *Hamjis, mja. <br>
> Jord.<br>
> > Ammius; Wz. Hamido; OIc. Hamğir; Go. ga-hamon `put on, dress <br>
> oneself<br>
> > in'; OIc. hamr (gen. -s, pl. -ir) `skin, outward shape', OE homa, <br>
> OHG<br>
> > hamo `skin, clothes', OHG hemidi `clothing, long undershirt', <br>
> OFries.<br>
> > hemethe, OE hemeş.<br>
> <br>
> Right. I meant a posible Iranian etymology, ama "powerful" (I'm not <br>
> sure about this, just saw it somewhere), and sar "head". But in the <br>
> saga (and what Jordanes is retelling here was already a saga among <br>
> the Goths) the names, if not originally Germanic, must have been <br>
> already Germanized.<br>
<br>
By the way, have you seen this: <br>
Otto Maenchen-Helfen: The World of the Huns [<br>
<a href="http://www.kroraina.com/huns/mh/">http://www.kroraina<wbr>.com/huns/<wbr>mh/</a> ]?<br>
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