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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
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> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Get. 22 Fervir = Go. *fairhveis pl.<br>
> > <br>
> > [...]<br>
> > And could it be that this name has a North Germanic source?<br>
> <br>
> I guess so. I remember reading somewhere that Fervir = Fjäre in <br>
> Halland. Now, what is Fjäre? :)<br>
<br>
Any relation of Fjære in Aust-Agder, Norway? It would be good if we<br>
could track down some Old Norse attestations of these names.<br>
<br>
> It is interesting that, if the name is indeed i-stem plural, it <br>
> represents an evidence for rhotacism in NG as early as the 6th ct. or <br>
> even earlier (depends on where Jordanes got it from) and the sound <br>
> written by the Proto-Norse with the algiz rune [R] was already heard <br>
> close enough to [r]. Besides, I wonder why the name wasn't <br>
> automatically converted into Gothic as we would expect? Was *ferhwîR <br>
> not transparent for the Goths? Didn't Jordanes know Gothic as is <br>
> usually supposed? And why Suehans in Get. 21, then?<br>
<br>
We should probably be cautious of reading too much into just one<br>
letter! It could have been garbled in transmission by scribes with no<br>
knowledge of North Germanic or Gothic. If they could turn<br>
*Sun(jah)ildi into 'Sunielh' and 'Sunihil' (both attested in<br>
manuscripts of the Getica), there's every chance they could have<br>
garbled a name from further afield. But if it does go back to the<br>
actual testimony of a North Germanic speaker, that would be exciting!<br>
I wonder if there are any other sources of NG names of this era<br>
recorded in Latin, and how they treat the reflex of Proto-Germanic /z/.<br>
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