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            <p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Get. 22 Fervir = Go. *fairhveis pl.<br>
<br>
Interesting example. So perhaps this is another instance of a<br>
folk-name being taken up in verse as a 'heiti' for people in general;<br>
or maybe it's just the coincidence of one particular group calling<br>
themselves "the people". Old Saxon 'firhios' suggests a ja-stem, and<br>
that's why I reconstructed it as *fairhvjos in Drus, although a lot of<br>
ethnic names were i-stems originally, so I don't know...  Was there a<br>
tendency to turn i-stems into ja-stems or a-stems in Old Saxon? Old<br>
i-stems are often partly or wholly assimilated to the a-stems in Old<br>
English (cf. fíras).<br>
<br>
And could it be that this name has a North Germanic source?<br>
<br>
"The Scandinavian ethnography in Jordanes is based primarily on<br>
Ptolemy's SKANDIA chapter. [...] However it also includes what appears<br>
to be a new autochthanous source. According to Get. 3, a Scandinavian<br>
king Rudvulf [Roduulf] sought refuge with Theoderich, and we can<br>
assume that his reports of tribes surpassing the Germanic peoples in<br>
bodily size and spirit (gentes Germanis corpore et animo grandiores)<br>
have come into the Getica. Names such as Fervir [...] have received a<br>
variety of conflicting interpretations" (Ludwig Rübekeil 2002:<br>
'Scandinavia in the light of ancient tradition', pp. 594-604 in The<br>
Nordic Languages. Eds. Widmark, Bandle, et al. Berlin: de Gruyter. p.<br>
603).<br>
<br>
> There's Slavic evidence for Go. *ga-nazjan.<br>
<br>
Thanks for reminding me of that! It just goes to show, Biblical<br>
Gothic, as attested, is just one variety of what must once have been a<br>
complex continuum of East Germanic dialects. As the Crimean Gothic<br>
evidence suggests, it could be that even some features that are<br>
considered as diagnostic for "East Germanic" weren't at all universal<br>
among people who considered themselves Gothic speakers in the<br>
Migration Era.<br>
<br>
LN<br>
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