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<p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "llama_nom" <600cell@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Feminine on-stem apparently, meaning "shore" or "ebb(tide)" (=OIc.<br>
> fjara) < PG *ferwôn.<br>
<br>
*fairwo F.-on – a nice "new" word for Gothic :)<br>
<br>
> Well, they're both on the coast, so that makes sense. The question <br>
is:<br>
> does this Fervir refer to these placenames, and is the any <br>
possibility<br>
> that the modern placenames arose through a folk-etymological<br>
> reinterpretation of an old tribal name meaning "people", "living<br>
> beings"?<br>
<br>
I think fjör and fjara, oblique fjöru, could get in touch with each <br>
other (semantically) in ON, but perhaps not so easily before /h/ in <br>
*ferhwa- had been lost. But who can tell for sure? If we had texts <br>
where (derivatives of) fjara meant "shore people" or something <br>
similar...<br>
<br>
What can convincingly prove that a word underwent a folk-<br>
etymological re-interpretation? Sometimes the word was so strongly <br>
changed to fit the folk-etymology that the idea is evident: <br>
marikreitus (< Lat. margarîta) has been clearly re-interpreted as <br>
having something to do with mari-, marei "sea" (cf. mari-saiws). And <br>
they went even further in OHG by turning it into merigrioz "sea <br>
sand". In case of Biblical proper names, we may deduce something <br>
from their orthography and/or morphology. Examples to illustrate <br>
this: writing Beşlahaim (twice in Luke) instead of Beşlaihaim may <br>
hint to a probable re-interpretation of it as containing the <br>
toponymic element –haim(s). It remains to clarify what Beşla- could <br>
have stood for. Gen. Iaredis (not *Iaraidis < IARED) and Mattaşiwis <br>
(along with Mattaşiaus) show that these foreign names were taken up <br>
as native ones on –reşs and –şius respectively. I wonder if the <br>
(quasi) first element in Mattaşius* was felt as being the same as in <br>
Matasuentha (mahti-/mahta- > matta, like in ON)? Haileiins (once) <br>
vs. Hel- (the rest 19) may or may not be an evidence of its being <br>
connected with inherited hail-. And so forth.<br>
<br>
> Or maybe the tribal name was derived from this word for<br>
> beach: the people who live near the shore. And *then* the question <br>
is:<br>
> does the poetic word for "men" come from this tribal name, or is <br>
it a<br>
> separate word derived from the root meaning "life" (in OE and ON) <br>
or<br>
> "world" (in Gothic)?<br>
<br>
The latter looks more plausible to me. Connecting Fervir and <br>
Fjäre/Fjære is only an (unverifiable?<wbr>) hypothesis and it can be <br>
wrong, after all. Maybe Fervir refers to the previous Finnaithae <br>
meaning something like "people of Finnheden"?<br>
<br>
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