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<p>Hi,<br>
some times (maybe year/s) ago i saw a piece on this board<br>
treating of (or better linking to) the theory, that Goths<br>
did not came from Scandinavia, but rather they - or their <br>
group identity - were established only later and on another place; from germanic tribes living beside roman limes (if I remember correct the topic of the piece). Could someone remind me the source of this theory; book, or maybe make correct this my opinion, if my flashback is more or less wrong...<br>
<br>
Michal<br>
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Fredrik <<a href="mailto:gadrauhts%40hotmail.com">gadrauhts@hotmail.<wbr>com</a>> wrote: Hi all. I hope that there still are a few fellows here so this isn't <br>
totalt in vain.<br>
<br>
I though about words for civilization and verbs to describe it, like <br>
civilize.<br>
<br>
After I thought a while I came up with an idea which was based on the <br>
word un-mana-riggws which means smth like fierce, cruel, barbaric and <br>
took the oposite word mana-riggws to mean civilized, (mostly an <br>
oposite meaning of barbaric). As noun I used mana-riggwitha (sf). I'd <br>
like to know what riggws is and what it mean.<br>
<br>
Later I found out that I already translated the word 'civilized' but <br>
forgot about it. At that earlier time I used uf-hausjands as the <br>
meaning 'behaved'.<br>
<br>
I also think there's a connection between the words civilization and <br>
culture, both coz civilized countries/people have a higher culture. <br>
And the icelandic word has a connection. Right now I can't tell for <br>
sure but if I remember correct civilization is siğmenning or smth <br>
like that and siğa (a verb) means to bring up and menning (not sure <br>
if thats totally correct either) means culture, probably from a verb <br>
meaning 'to make a (behaved?) man of'<br>
<br>
Any ideas about this?<br>
<br>
What would the gothic word for the Cultural Revolution be?<br>
<br>
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