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            <p>Im atracted rather to the concept of re-identification too - regardless  we discuse about Goths, or any other of mediaval or premediaval gentes  (even modern nations and national states). I only need to know, how far  went the discusion about identity problem in the case of Goths. <br>
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  In my opinion group identity is a question of political construction,  not of real biological ties. Social group, and especially its elite,  often used to create narratives about their biological ties (only this  "after-narrative" situation is what makes them literally "group" or  "comunity"), best reaching to the past times (comon geografical origin  - ancient homeland, unbroken royal dynasty and so on). But it does not  imply empirical "realness" of this sonstructions; it does not imply,  thet events described in such myths (empirical - biological, geografic  - ties) are necessary historical real.<br>
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Michael Erwin <<a href="mailto:merwin%40btinternet.com">merwin@btinternet.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:                                          On May 8, 2008, at 3:15 AM, OSCAR HERRERA wrote:<br>
  > i i think our suppositions are unfounded about the goths.....they  <br>
  > migrated from gutland to the european mainland and transgressed with  <br>
  > their migration south thru centuries...<wbr>we understand little about  <br>
  > the germanic tribes and their customs before medeival times so  <br>
  > supposition means little of them or the goths....i think its pretty  <br>
  > obvious that germanic tribes expanded thru population then and  <br>
  > simultaneously descended thru out europe.....i think the goths did  <br>
  > the same with no help of other races or cultures around them....<br>
  ><br>
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  In the Anglo-Saxon case, it's well-established that it was mostly re- <br>
  identification and assimilation, not migration. In the Gothic case,  <br>
  the historical evidence for re-identification is clearer than the  <br>
  Anglo-Saxon case, though unfortunately the genetic evidence is not  <br>
  available. (Wulfila himself was descended from non-Goths).<br>
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