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            <p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts@.<wbr>..> wrote:<br>
><br>
<br>
> Are these changes [ [e:] > [i:] and [o] > [u:] ] only valid for the<br>
gothic spoken in italy and not spain? if so, should it be considered a<br>
specific ostrogothic change as it also occures in crimean gothic?<br>
<br>
I don't know. That's an interesting question. There might be some<br>
clues in personal names recorded by Greek and Roman writers, and in<br>
loanwords in Spanish, Catalan, Portuguese and Provencal.<br>
<br>
> other changes are diphthongs becoming monophthongs.<br>
biblical ai corresponds to crimean e (long probably?), which is<br>
common with italian ostrogothic (?). But what about biblical au. In<br>
italian gothic it is o (long here too?), like Oderit from Audareths.<br>
Did crimean have long o here too, like broe from brauth?<br>
<br>
It certainly looks that way.  As well as Broe, we have Hoef (haubiþ)<br>
and Oeghene (augono). The initial letter in Iel (háils) may betray<br>
Greek influence [ <br>
<a href="http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/gotol-10.html#Got10_GP46">http://www.utexas.<wbr>edu/cola/<wbr>centers/lrc/<wbr>eieol/gotol-<wbr>10.html#Got10_<wbr>GP46</a><br>
], in which case this could be an example of [e:] for PGmc. [ai].<br>
<br>
> [...] but it seems to be as crimean has i where pgmc had it<br>
and e where pgmc had it. Doesn't it?<br>
<br>
Yes, as far as I can tell. Especially interesting regarding short [o],<br>
is the word Schuos (probably a printing mistake for Schnos), since<br>
Busbeque didn't recognise this as a Germanic word, and yet it seems to<br>
show lowering of PGmc. [u] to [o] before a central vowel, as tended to<br>
happen in North and West Germanic, but not Biblical Gothic: snusô ><br>
Crim. Got. *schnos, BGot. *snuza, OE snoru, ON snør.<br>
<br>
> Is it only Busbeque's writings that makes the source to crimean<br>
gothic or is there any other?<br>
<br>
Yes, sadly that's all we have. Unless anything else comes to light in<br>
the future...<br>
<br>
> How much about CG can be stated as fact<br>
by analyzing these sources? About grammar and phonology.<br>
If I understand correct most people think there's a lot of typos and<br>
other errors in his writings and therefor not totaly reliable.<br>
<br>
That's right. In fact, it's worse than that, because Busbeque's<br>
informants may not have been completely reliable either.<br>
<br>
Alter erat procerior, toto ore ingenuam quandam simplicitatem<br>
praeferens, ut Flander videretur aut Batavus: alter erat brevior,<br>
compactiore corpore, colore fusco, ortu et sermone Graecus, sed qui<br>
frequenti commercio non contemnendum eius linguae usum haberet, nam<br>
superior vicinitate, et frequenti Graecorum consuetudine sic eorum<br>
sermonem imbiberat, ut popularis sui esset oblitus, interrogatus de<br>
natura et moribus illorum populorum, congruentia respondebat. <br>
<br>
One of them was taller, displaying in his overall appearance a certain<br>
native simplicity, so that he looked like a Fleming or Dutchman: the<br>
other was shorted, with a stouter body, a swarthy color, Greek in<br>
origin and speech, but who with frequent interaction had a not<br>
disrespectable command of that language; for the first one on account<br>
of proximity and frequent dealings with Greeks had so taken in their<br>
speech as to have forgotten that of his own people; though when asked<br>
about the nature and customs of those peoples, he responded sensibly.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/gotol-10.html#Got10_GP46">http://www.utexas.<wbr>edu/cola/<wbr>centers/lrc/<wbr>eieol/gotol-<wbr>10.html#Got10_<wbr>GP46</a><br>
<a href="http://www.gotica.de/taurica.html">http://www.gotica.<wbr>de/taurica.<wbr>html</a><br>
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