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            <p>--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts@.<wbr>..> wrote:<br>
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> In crimean they count with ite as one.<br>
> What is that? Is it from ita = it?<br>
<br>
Busbecq actually cites it as 'ita'. Yes, I think probably is from the<br>
personal pronoun spelt the same in Biblical Gothic, unless perhaps<br>
it's a contraction from the numeral 'ainata'.  This could well have<br>
happened if it was used in unstressed positions, e.g. if it came to be<br>
used as an indefinite article as in many other Germanic languages.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> According to zompist the word for one is ene, what's the evidence of <br>
> that? <a href="http://zompist.com/euro.htm#ie">http://zompist.<wbr>com/euro.<wbr>htm#ie</a><br>
<br>
Must be a mistake, or somebody tried to reconstruct the masculine form<br>
of 1 without realising that 2 and 3 are also neuter.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Why do the numbers in crimean gothic end with -e?<br>
> e.g. sevene, nyne and thiine?<br>
<br>
I don't know. Maybe the final -e in these numbers arose by analogy<br>
with athe.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> The e in athe is obvious coz it's a weakened 'au' I presume.<br>
<br>
I think so. Compare sune (BG sunno), mine (BG mena), etc.<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Should th in crimean be read as t?<br>
> <br>
> And what about ii in thiine. Is that a long i or two syllables?<br>
> if so I guess it should have been a short e in the first syllable and<br>
> a schwa in the second.<br>
><br>
<br>
I don't know about the 'ii'.  Maybe [i:]?  Grønvik thought that<br>
initial /t/ and /d/ of Germanic had fallen together in Crimean Gothic<br>
as a voiceless stop [t], which Busbeque spells variously 't' and 'th'<br>
(similarly /b/ and /p/ > [p], as in 'plut').  But the forms 'goltz'<br>
and 'statz' made him think that [þ] probably did still exist in<br>
Crimean Gothic. Busbecq may not have represented it very accurately<br>
because there was no such sound in his own language.<br>
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