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<p>>> The angel who comes to Mary greets her with the imperative verb<br>
>> 'fagino' "rejoice" or "be happy". This translates Greek CAIRE, as<br>
does<br>
>> 'hails' when the soldiers mock Jesus, saying 'hails, þiudan(s)<br>
Iudaie'<br>
>> "hail, king of the Jews".<br>
>><br>
<br>
> OK, but it's kinda weird if one would greet today by saying "be<br>
happy" so I wouldnt prefer that one.<br>
<br>
Not so strange to the Greeks who greeted each other with CAIRE (be<br>
happy, contented, well), or in Modern Icelandic 'komdu sæll' (hello),<br>
'vertu sæll' (goodbye). I guess it depends what we're used to... I<br>
read somewhere that when the Ancient Greek philosophers advicated "the<br>
happy life", they meant a life of contentment and feeling well, rather<br>
than a life of debauchery! On the other hand, I think Priscus uses<br>
CAIRE to translate whatever word was used by Attila's followers (who<br>
included many Goths) to salute each other's health at a feast, and<br>
then there's the Latin 'De conviviis barbaris' epigram:<br>
<br>
Inter "eils" goticum scapiamatziaiadrinc<wbr>an<br>
non audet quisquam dignos edicere versos.<br>
<br>
Between the Gothic "(h)ails!" [and] "skapja(m) matja(n) ja(h)<br>
drigkan!" no one dares utter worthy verses.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.univie.ac.at/indogermanistik/quellentexte.cgi?5">http://www.univie.<wbr>ac.at/indogerman<wbr>istik/quellentex<wbr>te.cgi?5</a><br>
<br>
But I think we can be more confident of 'hails' as a native Gothic<br>
greeting than 'fagino' because 'fagino' is a literal translation of<br>
the Greek 2nd person singular imperative, whereas rendering CAIRE with<br>
the adjective 'hails' instead of a verb suggests that the translator<br>
was influenced by native usage. That isn't to rule out the possibility<br>
that 'fagino' was a native Gothic greeting, but the evidence for<br>
'hails' seems stronger.<br>
<br>
> It would probably be weird to use the noun to greet if it is an <br>
> initial greeting, but when ending a message I think it is acceptable, <br>
> just as in modern languages such as english and swedish to, where you <br>
> could say "hälsningar *your name*".<br>
<br>
That seems reasonable to me. All examples of the noun used in this way<br>
at the end of Paul's letters are singular (I Cor 16:21, Col 4:18, II<br>
Thess 3:17 A & B). Although these are in agreement with the Greek,<br>
there are instances elsewhere of the Gothic translator using singular<br>
where Greek has plural, and plural where Greek has singular, so<br>
presumably singular was acceptable here in Gothic. Maybe plural would<br>
have been too, but we don't have any evidence for that, unless there's<br>
anything I've missed.<br>
<br>
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