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<p>Yes, I tried to take all of these things in mind as best as I could. I<br>
have Wright's book "Grammar of the Gothic Language," and I used many,<br>
many websites in trying to express these sayings. Like for the lines<br>
"I was born..." I get from the Gothic Dictionary at<br>
<a href="http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/egdhome.htm">http://www.oe.<wbr>eclipse.co.<wbr>uk/nom/egdhome.<wbr>htm</a> that to say that is to use<br>
gabaurans with the conjugated form of wairžan. Unfortunately, no one<br>
has gotten to me on the other lines yet, but I've serious doubt that<br>
most if not all of them are correct. I tried using your very first<br>
example in the lines you bring into question, as well as your third<br>
with the forming of compound words using wintrus.<br>
<br>
Would it be just so much more simple in the sense of saying for us and<br>
in comparing to modern languages to use haban as in your second<br>
example? In my certain case, the inflection rules you specified do not<br>
seem to apply other than placing them in the correct case.<br>
<br>
But thank you so much for the help and the examples. It's so much<br>
better to hear it from another person's perspective than something<br>
written so many years ago.<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Rydwlf <mitsuhippon@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Johann,<br>
> <br>
> As far as I know the extant forms used to express age in Wulfila<br>
bible follow these three structures:<br>
> <br>
> - 'wisan' ("to be") + 'jere' + numeral (Genitive).<br>
> As in Mark 5:42: 'was auk jere twalibe'.<br>
> "for she was twelve years old".<br>
> Or in Luke 3:23: 'jah silba was Iesus swe jere žrije tigiwe uf<br>
gakunžai'.<br>
> "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age".<br>
> In this sentence 'žrije' is Masc. Gen. and 'tigiwe' is Gen. Pl.<br>
> These sentences mean literally "for she was of twelve years" and<br>
"and Jesus himself began to be about of thirty <br>
> <br>
> - haban ("to have") + numeral (Accusative) + 'jere'.<br>
> As in John, 8:57: 'fimf tiguns jere nauh ni habais'.<br>
> "you're not yet fifty years old" .<br>
> <br>
> - wisan + numeral (Nom.) + 'wintrus' (Nominative, "winter").<br>
> Luke 2:42: 'jah biže warž twalibwintrus'<br>
> "and when he was twelve years old" (lit. "twelve winters").<br>
> This is really a compound; instead of 'twalif', 'twalib' is used(cf.<br>
'twalibim', Dative).<br>
> <br>
> It is good to bear in mind the special rules that apply to the<br>
declination of numerals. 1, 2 and 3 are declinable in all cases and<br>
genders. 4 - 15 usually remain uninflected, but in some parts of the<br>
text they appear inflected (following i-declension with Dat. in -im<br>
and Gen. in -e). For tens, 20-90, the structure is 'numeral from 2 to<br>
9' + 'tigjus' (which is Nom. Pl. of 'tigus', "decade"). If you have to<br>
decline a ten, you decline 'tigus' in the needed case ('tuguns' is<br>
Acc. Pl. and 'tigiwe' is Gen. Pl.) according to the verb (wisan or<br>
haban). The first numeral is declined in Masc. and the same case as<br>
'tigus' (if 2 or 3, since 4 - 9 are undeclinable)<wbr>, as deducted from<br>
Luke 3:23 (I don't know if other rules apply).<br>
> <br>
> I've probably missed one or two things but I think this summary can<br>
be helpful. Hope so!<br>
> <br>
> Rydwlf <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Johann von Messer <furry_von_messer@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > From: Johann von Messer <furry_von_messer@<wbr>...><br>
> > Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Hallo hallo!<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a><br>
> > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:58 PM<br>
> > Wow... I didn't think the -lif suffix was used in other<br>
> > numbers other <br>
> > than eleven and twelve (and maybe thirteen.)<br>
> > <br>
> > And dative plural for jer? I thought it'd be some<br>
> > really odd <br>
> > grammatical way of saying it. Something like 'I have X<br>
> > years' or the <br>
> > like. But thank you for this! I've something to work<br>
> > off of now. :D<br>
> > <br>
> > How about the rest of the stuff?<br>
> > <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, OSCAR HERRERA<br>
> > <duke.co@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ik im ahtauliff jeram....i am 18 years.....ik im<br>
> > niunliff jeram...i <br>
> > am nineteen years old...<br>
> > <br>
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