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<p>Hello all,<br>
<br>
Happy New Year and sorry for my absence. I'd like to express my thankfulness to <br>
you all, I've read all your emails really carefully. Instructive and educative on <br>
Gothic and the Goths. The thing is, I've felt that most of you are quite ahead of <br>
me, many seem to be long time linguists, so there is little I could do to enhance <br>
the discussions, apart form a comparative perspective.<br>
<br>
Please, unsubscribe me from the list, I hope I'll be able to return when I have a <br>
deeper knowledge of Germanic languages in general.<br>
<br>
Best wishes and thanks,<br>
<br>
Pablo<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "Ingemar Nordgren" <ingemar@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Bob,<br>
> <br>
> Some good works in German, however not so very fresh but they belong <br>
> to the standard works: Reinhardt Wenskus "Stammesbildung und <br>
> Verfassung" 1965. He is the one who starts with a new demographic <br>
> viewpoint that later Wolfram and Pohl developes into 'ethnogenesis'<wbr>. <br>
> Accordingly also look for books by Walter Pohl. Goffart "The <br>
> narrators of barbarian history" is opposed to these two. Same <br>
> tendencies you find in "On Barbarian Identity" 2002, ed. Andrew <br>
> Gillet. Also look for publications of Andreas Schwarcz in Vienna.<br>
> Another old standard book is Rolf Hachmann "Die Goten und <br>
> Skandinavien" 1970.Some really late examples looking at the <br>
> archaeology and spread of the Goths in Germanic areas are Heike Grahn-<br>
> Hoek,2002 Stamm und Reich der frühen Thüringer nach der <br>
> Schriftquellen. i Zeitschrift des Vereins für Thüringische <br>
> Geschichte, Band 56, Jena 2002 and Bertold Schmidt "Zwischen <br>
> römischer Eroberung und Königreich" in 'Archäologie in <br>
> Deutschland'<wbr>, Thema: Die Thüringer, Theiss, Stuttgart 1984 and he has <br>
> written more works also.A Polish serie is constantly publishing new <br>
> archaeological results. It is called in English "Archaeological <br>
> rescue investigations along the gas transit pipeline", ed.Marek <br>
> Gierlach but it is mostly Polish with short summaries.<br>
> Some other Polish researchers are Kmieczinski, J 1972 "Die <br>
> Bedeutung der Germanen östlich der Oder während der ersten <br>
> Jahrhunderte nach Christi Geburt im Lichte der neueren Forschungen"<wbr>, <br>
> Studia Gotica, A&W, Stockholm <br>
> Makiewicz,Tadeusz The Goths in Greater Poland<br>
> <a href="http://www.muzarp.poznan.pl/archweb/gazociag/contents.htm">http://www.muzarp.<wbr>poznan.pl/<wbr>archweb/gazociag<wbr>/contents.<wbr>htm</a><br>
> and Okulicz-Kozaryn, Jerzy 1991 "Das Gräberfeld von Weklice. Zur <br>
> Besiedlungsgeschich<wbr>te des Weichselraums in der römischen Kaiserzeit", <br>
> Archeologia, Vol. XV, s. 115-127. He treats the possible origin of <br>
> the Gepids.A more ortodox archaeologist is Bierbrauer, Volker <br>
> 1991,"Die Goten vom 1-7. Jahrhundert n. Chr.: Siedelgebiete und <br>
> Wanderbewegungen auf grund archäologischer Quellen", Universitetets <br>
> Oldsaksamlings Skrifter, Ny Rekke, nr. 14, Oslo Universitet, Oslo.<br>
> <br>
> For the later development in the Mediterranean area e.g. A.E. <br>
> Thompson and Dietrich Claude has written quite good books but they <br>
> are not fresh.<br>
> <br>
> Well, these are just a few examples of possible literature - some old <br>
> and some new. Together they give a broad but definitely not united <br>
> view of the Goths.Hope I did not frighten you now. It will take quite <br>
> a while looking them all through so you have to make some choices.<br>
> <br>
> Good luck!<br>
> Ingemar<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Bob Offer-Westort <Bob@> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm working on some independent research into the origins of the <br>
> Old <br>
> > English poem known as 'Deor', & have been reading Wolfram for some <br>
> > Gothic context (mostly concerning the Ostrogoths during the <br>
> lifetimes <br>
> > of Cassiodorus & Jordanes). I plan to read Heather & Kaliff, as <br>
> well <br>
> > as Ingemar's thesis & Thomas Burns *A History of the Ostrogoths*, <br>
> but <br>
> > I rather suspect that I'm missing out because my reading derives <br>
> > mostly from looking at English-language materials. I don't have a <br>
> > background in history, & I'm coming from outside the Academy, so <br>
> I'm <br>
> > not really sure how to navigate resources save by looking thru <br>
> > bibliographies. Is there material in German or other modern <br>
> European <br>
> > languages since 1988 that one should read in order to have a <br>
> decent <br>
> > understanding of scholarly interpretation of later Gothic history? <br>
> How <br>
> > does one go about finding out whether or not this sort of material <br>
> > exists other than asking on a listserv? Basically, how do academic <br>
> > Gothicists keep up to date?<br>
> > <br>
> > (I am learning Latin, & do plan to eventually read some of the <br>
> primary <br>
> > sources directly, but currently am not yet capable of so doing.)<br>
> > <br>
> > Thanks much for any advice any of y'all can provide.<br>
> > <br>
> > -Bob<br>
> > San Francisco, California, USA<br>
> > <br>
> > P.S. A happy Kwanzaa, Chanukkah, Boxing Day, & Feast of St. Stephen <br>
> to <br>
> > you all. Enjoy the turtle doves.<br>
> > <br>
> > On Dec 7, 2008, at 5.12 PST, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > > Hi David and welcome!<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The Goths are disputed in many ways and so is their history. I <br>
> have<br>
> > > myself disputed in the matter and my dissertation is published in<br>
> > > bookform as "The Well Spring of the Goths". It is a bit unortodox <br>
> when<br>
> > > it concerns what makes them Gothic, where I mean earlier <br>
> researcher <br>
> > > got<br>
> > > it wrong, but otherwise it tells the conventional story in great. <br>
> I<br>
> > > have a literature index where you might find a lot of literature <br>
> about<br>
> > > the Goths. You can test read it at Google library. The most well <br>
> known<br>
> > > classical books internationally are Herwig Wolfram "The Goths" and<br>
> > > Peter Heather "The Goths". An interesting new angle is also Anders<br>
> > > Kaliff "Gothic Connections"<wbr>.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Best<br>
> > > Ingemar<br>
> > ><br>
> > > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "dernehelm" <dernehelm@> wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Hello. My Name is David Bustillos. I know basically nothing <br>
> about <br>
> > > the<br>
> > > > Goths. But I want to learn. does anyone have a list of links or <br>
> of<br>
> > > > books in English that are recommended for some one wanting to <br>
> learn.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Also are there any colleges that attempt to teach Gothic?<br>
> > > > Thank you,<br>
> > > > David<br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
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