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<p>Recently(2006) a royal tomb (assigned to Gepids: Polus tumulus near <br>
Cluj-Napoca)<wbr>was unveiled; the "celtic cross" was found on the royal <br>
seal and on vessels. <br>
<br>
Please observe that kings' monograms are not necessarily symbols for <br>
the peasants(the people) but deserve a mystic or genealogic role. <br>
Please review my <br>
<br>
previous post on "historical Odin" for the Draco/Balaur issue.<br>
<br>
Moreover, in the Polus site, antlers were found along with the <br>
stag's head. The antlers are not conserved in museum but left on the <br>
site, so anybody can see <br>
<br>
them.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2f7cbBIRZGsnroi4gAOv6w?">http://picasaweb.<wbr>google.com/<wbr>lh/photo/<wbr>2f7cbBIRZGsnroi4<wbr>gAOv6w?</a><br>
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The connection with Cernunos was not made yet, but I make it now:<br>
<br>
THIS IS THE FIRST ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF ANTLERS USED FOR <br>
BURIAL/FUNERAL OF KINGS<br>
<br>
The necessary connection to the Gundestrup cauldron (also thougt by <br>
some of Wallachian origin) may be made along with the representation <br>
of the afterworld on <br>
<br>
old (XIVth century) churches:<br>
1. Draco/devil is Nidhog, the worm of the underworld. <br>
2. Balaur/Cernunos is feeding Draco and therefore Balaur/Cernunos <br>
may not be eaten by Draco.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3r8F7SmsRa-W6TcJXE5NFA?">http://picasaweb.<wbr>google.com/<wbr>lh/photo/<wbr>3r8F7SmsRa-<wbr>W6TcJXE5NFA?</a><br>
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<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/PKCZmASnSboSzfWtThAXfw?">http://picasaweb.<wbr>google.com/<wbr>lh/photo/<wbr>PKCZmASnSboSzfWt<wbr>ThAXfw?</a><br>
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Therefore, the antlers were thought to mask the deceased into the <br>
Balaur/Cernunos in the afterworld.<br>
<br>
In the museum of Cluj I got the following burrial ring with the <br>
sun/moon/Ishtar, like inn the Sumerian room at Louvre:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yhlQZFlknK5OaDyBU82NRA?">http://picasaweb.<wbr>google.com/<wbr>lh/photo/<wbr>yhlQZFlknK5OaDyB<wbr>U82NRA?</a><br>
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<br>
Elaborating further on the "wheels" on the Gundestrup cauldron, <br>
these are the two suns of the Apotheosis. Picture from the Louvre on <br>
the apotheosis:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/n0k8oPY2YDDH3tMSII3gVA?">http://picasaweb.<wbr>google.com/<wbr>lh/photo/<wbr>n0k8oPY2YDDH3tMS<wbr>II3gVA?</a><br>
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Religion, as learned from various finds, may NOT be assigned to a <br>
nation (e.g. celts) but to the gentry-which had not a mother tongue <br>
but a genealogy and a <br>
<br>
trans national cult of the afterworld.<br>
<br>
May I elaborate on the etymology of Wallachia, a duchy mentioned in <br>
Niebelungen Lied along with a Romanian leader ("Rumunc der Vlachen <br>
Hertzog mit acht <br>
<br>
hunndert Mannen") which is usually associated with Romania. My <br>
opinion is that this duchy which denotes a diminutive of valley (Val<br>
(e)>>Valeaca><wbr>>Valaca) was <br>
<br>
altered by German/Hungarian transcriptions and also by common <br>
confusion between consonants into Feleacu (phonetic F for V), i.e. <br>
the hill near Cluj-Napoca. <br>
<br>
Later this duchy appears as Doboka-Szolnok in Hungarian and remained <br>
a county until 1918. <br>
The archeological traces we have, refer to the gentry not to the <br>
peasants and therefore we have no "great migration" but eventually <br>
wars and mostly change of <br>
<br>
dynasties.<br>
Therefore I got the religious connection between Celtic/Nordic<br>
(Odin's Valaskijalf=<wbr>=Wallachia) realm and the Gepid capital at Cluj. <br>
It appears that this is <br>
<br>
where historical Woden's successors came . Thus the story told by <br>
Jordanes on the Gepid's origin appears true. <br>
<br>
QED<br>
<br>
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