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<p>Hi Ingemar,<br>
<br>
I'm curious what you're after with this etymology. The OED gives Sw. vinna<br>
for AS winnan, ON vinna; my guess would be that it's a different root than<br>
what you're going for with vinja, Sw. -vin.<br>
<br>
You might also check Kluge for etymology of Wiese. I don't think he<br>
connects it to vinja, et al., or even to a *wisa. Ditto for Wiede. If you<br>
don't have a copy I can get the entry to you later.<br>
<br>
Since vinja is fem. I wouldn't be surprised for it to have identical nom.<br>
and acc. forms, but I'm no expert with what the convergence of genders did<br>
to modern Swedish accidence.<br>
<br>
IMR<br>
<br>
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Ingemar Nordgren <<a href="mailto:ingemar%40nordgren.se">ingemar@nordgren.<wbr>se</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a> <gothic-l%40yahoogr<wbr>oups.com><wbr>, Ian<br>
> Ragsdale <delvebelow@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thank you Ian!<br>
><br>
> You say alternatively vini. This happens to be the correct complete Swedish<br>
> form. In any case it appears to lie quite close to Gothic. In Sw. of course<br>
> the genus is realgenus(it=<wbr>den) which is close to neutrum(it=det)<wbr>. It might<br>
> have affected the nominative??<br>
><br>
> Best<br>
> Ingemar<br>
><br>
><br>
> > From Wright's Gothic Grammar:<br>
> ><br>
> > "#192 (o-stems)...<br>
> > jo-stems - with a short radical syllable [including words in -ja and with<br>
> a<br>
> > monosyllabic root]...The nom. sing. had its -a either from the pure<br>
> o-stems<br>
> > or else it was the acc. used for the old nominative."<br>
> ><br>
> > IMO, since "vinja" has a short mono-syllabic root, the nom. is probably<br>
> > "vinja."<br>
> ><br>
> > If it was long or polysyllabic, the nom. would be "vini." But that does<br>
> not<br>
> > appear to be the case.<br>
> ><br>
> > IMR<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Ingemar Nordgren <ingemar@...<wbr>>wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Hi,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Could somebody among all you linguistic wizards help me to estimate a<br>
> > > nominative of the ack. form 'vinja' f. meaning Grassing place for<br>
> cattle,<br>
> > > Germ. Weide, Sw. -vin, -vene in the end of place names. Unhappily<br>
> enough<br>
> > > ack. is the only form in which the word is attested. I think the Pgm<br>
> form<br>
> > > might be wisa and that Germ.Wiese comes from the same word. Evidently<br>
> it is<br>
> > > also connected with AS wynne, desire, longing.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Look forward to an understandable answer without too many lingvistic<br>
> > > equilibrances.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Best<br>
> > > Ingemar<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
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