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<p>On Mar 30, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:<br>
> Since we have the word 'vini' in Sw. and Norw. for pasture I am <br>
> wondering wether Northgermanic, as I have allways beleived, is <br>
> closer connected to Gothic than Westgermanic. Thats the main reson. <br>
> I am involved in a discussion and I have to know what I talk about <br>
> even if I am not a linguists. Ther are as you know a lot of words <br>
> for pastue like Weide, Wiese et c. Thy pasture is in Sw. gennerally <br>
> 'beta', to grass, which must be connected with 'bite'. The use by <br>
> Wulfila of certain words hence makes a confusion.<br>
><br>
> Hope you understand the problem!<br>
> Thank yoou for the help.<br>
> Ingemar<br>
><br>
<br>
I suspect all of us have wondered about that.<br>
<br>
Another question: how could we determine what languages pre-existed <br>
Gothic north of the Danube? On historical grounds we can assume some <br>
Alanic language, and either Dacian or a Danubian Latin dialect. Slavic <br>
languages are also possible. But how, for example, would we detect an <br>
earlier Germanic substrate, perhaps Bastarnaean?<br>
<br>
Marja Erwin<br>
<a href="mailto:marja-e%40riseup.net">marja-e@riseup.<wbr>net</a><br>
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