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<p>Since we have the word 'vini' in Sw. and Norw. for pasture I am wondering wether Northgermanic, as I have allways beleived, is closer connected to Gothic than Westgermanic. Thats the main reson. I am involved in a discussion and I have to know what I talk about even if I am not a linguists. Ther are as you know a lot of words for pastue like Weide, Wiese et c. Thy pasture is in Sw. gennerally 'beta', to grass, which must be connected with 'bite'. The use by Wulfila of certain words hence makes a confusion.<br>
<br>
Hope you understand the problem!<br>
Thank yoou for the help.<br>
Ingemar<br>
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--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, Ian Ragsdale <delvebelow@<wbr>...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Ingemar,<br>
> <br>
> I'm curious what you're after with this etymology. The OED gives Sw. vinna<br>
> for AS winnan, ON vinna; my guess would be that it's a different root than<br>
> what you're going for with vinja, Sw. -vin.<br>
> <br>
> You might also check Kluge for etymology of Wiese. I don't think he<br>
> connects it to vinja, et al., or even to a *wisa. Ditto for Wiede. If you<br>
> don't have a copy I can get the entry to you later.<br>
> <br>
> Since vinja is fem. I wouldn't be surprised for it to have identical nom.<br>
> and acc. forms, but I'm no expert with what the convergence of genders did<br>
> to modern Swedish accidence.<br>
> <br>
> IMR<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Ingemar Nordgren <ingemar@...<wbr>>wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a> <gothic-l%40yahoogr<wbr>oups.com><wbr>, Ian<br>
> > Ragsdale <delvebelow@<wbr>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you Ian!<br>
> ><br>
> > You say alternatively vini. This happens to be the correct complete Swedish<br>
> > form. In any case it appears to lie quite close to Gothic. In Sw. of course<br>
> > the genus is realgenus(it=<wbr>den) which is close to neutrum(it=det)<wbr>. It might<br>
> > have affected the nominative??<br>
> ><br>
> > Best<br>
> > Ingemar<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > From Wright's Gothic Grammar:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > "#192 (o-stems)...<br>
> > > jo-stems - with a short radical syllable [including words in -ja and with<br>
> > a<br>
> > > monosyllabic root]...The nom. sing. had its -a either from the pure<br>
> > o-stems<br>
> > > or else it was the acc. used for the old nominative."<br>
> > ><br>
> > > IMO, since "vinja" has a short mono-syllabic root, the nom. is probably<br>
> > > "vinja."<br>
> > ><br>
> > > If it was long or polysyllabic, the nom. would be "vini." But that does<br>
> > not<br>
> > > appear to be the case.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > IMR<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Ingemar Nordgren <ingemar@>wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Hi,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Could somebody among all you linguistic wizards help me to estimate a<br>
> > > > nominative of the ack. form 'vinja' f. meaning Grassing place for<br>
> > cattle,<br>
> > > > Germ. Weide, Sw. -vin, -vene in the end of place names. Unhappily<br>
> > enough<br>
> > > > ack. is the only form in which the word is attested. I think the Pgm<br>
> > form<br>
> > > > might be wisa and that Germ.Wiese comes from the same word. Evidently<br>
> > it is<br>
> > > > also connected with AS wynne, desire, longing.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Look forward to an understandable answer without too many lingvistic<br>
> > > > equilibrances.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Best<br>
> > > > Ingemar<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
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