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--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>, "ingemarn2000" <ingemar@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Cossue!<br>
><br>
> Warmly welcome and thank you for an invaluable treasury of Germanic<br>
related words.<br>
><br>
> I agree that the Suevic influence i Portugal seems to have remained<br>
stable even after the Gothic conquering but this does not outrule the<br>
possibility that many of the personal names you mention could have been<br>
Gothic as well. I have myself, when I was preparingt my dissertation <br>
about the Goths, made some research of Gothic artefacts in both Asturias<br>
and Galizia and specially so in Léon, Astorga, Braga, Coimbra, Merida<br>
and Toledo. I mostly looked on Visigothic Stone Art and stelae and also<br>
Vadensiensic stelae. There indeed must be also Gothic influence there.<br>
Concerning the language in Portugal I noticed when listening to the<br>
conversation of a group a bit from distant the sound was similar to<br>
e.g. Dutch - it means there is a kind of germanic sound melody over the<br>
language that is not extant in Spanish. The Suevic inheritance could be<br>
an explanation.<br>
><br>
> Best greetings<br>
> Ingemar<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
Thank you very much for your welcome, Ingemar. Truly warm :-)<br>
<br>
I certainly agree with you: most of the names we know for the Suevi are<br>
common also among Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals or Burgundians! So, on<br>
a one per one basis, its difficult or even impossible to assign a word,<br>
or a personal or place name to Goths or Sueves (Ermericus, Reckila,<br>
Reckiar, Reccemundus, Remismundus.<wbr>... are Suevi names which are known<br>
also among other East Germans) though there are also Suevic and medieval<br>
Galician names like Ansemarus, Baldemarus, Pippinus, Pantardus,<br>
Gainnardus, Arnulfus... that don't look Gothic, but which are also<br>
present as genitives in the countryside, naming villages, hamlets and<br>
parishes). So, it's the geographic distribution of toponyms, names,<br>
words, etcetera, what can tell apart Gothic and Suevic, al least in a <br>
probabilistic point of view. So, for example, the are many Germanic<br>
names in the medieval Catalan charters that are unknown in Galicia<br>
(now, these names could be also Frankish), but the contrary is also<br>
true, and there are a large number of Germanic Galician names that are<br>
unknown in Catalonia. Again, Galician language have some tens of<br>
exclusive germanism, but the country probably didn't received a notable<br>
number of Visigoths prior to the muslim invasion, at a time when<br>
Visigoths had long lost their language, so this words should be<br>
considered Suevi better than Gothic, thought it could be impossible to<br>
prove that laverca, maga, lobio, gastallar, brétima... are not<br>
Visigothic words.<br>
<br>
Anyway, Gothic influence in Galicia and Portugal cannot be denied, as<br>
these lands were part of the Visigothic kingdom for more than a century,<br>
and their laws where The Law for over half a millennium! As an example,<br>
the privative civil laws on inheritance, in Galicia, are still directly<br>
derived from Gothic laws, as they where 1500 years ago, thought some<br>
figures, like the collective property of woods by the neighbours of<br>
adjacent hamlets, are usually considered Suevi.<br>
<br>
Cheers.<br>
<br>
Cossue.<br>
<br>
Sorry for the estrange symbols in the last message. HTML, hates me...<br>
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