<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
</head>
<body style="background-color: #fff;">
<span style="display:none"> </span>
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~-->
<div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;">
<div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;">
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~-->
<div id="ygrp-text" >
<p>And do remember that Jordanes was prejudiced. I think the course of history has proved his assessment of the primacy of the Amalung wrong.<br>
<br>
Randulfs<br>
<br>
--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>, "Andreas Schwarcz" <andreas.schwarcz@...> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Tom,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Alaric is a name, not a title, and Balthus is the (royal or noble) family he<br>
> was from (the Latin source calls him "genere Baltha", "from the family of<br>
> the Balthi", and Jordanes writes that this family is only second in nobility<br>
> to the family of the Amali, the family of Theoderic the Great). The name<br>
> Balthus may also indicate some ethnic connection of the family. Other<br>
> members of this family may have been Ariaric, Aoric, Athanaric and Alaviv,<br>
> who were leaders of the Tervingi before Alaric. So to call him Alaric the<br>
> Bold or Bold Alaric would both be wrong.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> All the best,<br>
> <br>
> Andreas Schwarcz<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Ao.Univ.Prof.Dr. Andreas Schwarcz<br>
> <br>
> Institut für Österreichische Geschichtsforschung<br>
> <br>
> Universität Wien<br>
> <br>
> Dr. Karl Lueger-Ring 1<br>
> <br>
> A 1010 Wien<br>
> <br>
> Austria<br>
> <br>
> Tel. 0043-1-42-77/272-16<br>
> <br>
> Fax 0043-1-42-77/92-72<br>
> <br>
> andreas.schwarcz@...<br>
> <br>
> _____ <br>
> <br>
> Von: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>] Im Auftrag<br>
> von Thomas<br>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2010 16:01<br>
> An: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> Betreff: [gothic-l] Naming practices<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Greetings.<br>
> <br>
> I am working on a novel about Alaric. In my research, I read in one place<br>
> that Alaric may not have been his name, but that Alaric was a distortion by<br>
> contemporary writers of his title, Ala Reiks (prince of princes).<br>
> <br>
> I suspect that this is not true because there were many Gothic names which<br>
> included the suffix ric, Athanaric for instance.<br>
> <br>
> I have also read that he had an appellation, the bold (balthi).<br>
> To complicate that, I read that Balthi was the title of a sub-tribe of the<br>
> Tervingi.<br>
> <br>
> My goal in writing is to not only entertain, but to educate.<br>
> So, I have a question. If Balthi were an appellation to Alaric's name, would<br>
> it have been:<br>
> Alaric the Bold (Like Eric the Red)<br>
> or<br>
> Bold Alaric (like Red Eric)<br>
> <br>
> Thank you guys very much.<br>
> I have asked questions here before and got very helpful responses. You guys<br>
> are great.<br>
> <br>
> Tom<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br>
><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
<div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div>
<div id="ygrp-actbar" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 10px; white-space: nowrap; color: #666; padding-top: 15px;">
<div>
<a href="mailto:r_scherp@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Naming%20practices" style="margin-right: 0; padding-right: 0;">
Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">sender</span></a> |
<a href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Naming%20practices">
Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">group</span></a> |
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdXVmcWE0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwMjA1OTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BG1zZ0lkAzEwNTA4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5MzIxNjMxMg--?act=reply&messageNum=10508">Reply <span style="font-weight: 700;">via web post</span></a> |
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMnN2cHFkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwMjA1OTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MzIxNjMxMg--" style="font-weight: 700;">Start a New Topic</a>
</div>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/message/10504;_ylc=X3oDMTM2b2w1ZWI4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwMjA1OTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BG1zZ0lkAzEwNTA4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MzIxNjMxMgR0cGNJZAMxMDUwNA--">Messages in this topic</a>
(<span style="font-weight: 700;">3</span>)
</div>
<!------- Start Nav Bar ------>
<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
<div id="ygrp-vital" style="background-color: #e0ecee; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;">
<span id="vithd" style="font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transform: uppercase; ">Recent Activity:</span>
<ul style="list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: inline;">
</ul>
<div style="clear: both; padding-top: 2px; color: #1e66ae;">
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZjM3YWZzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwMjA1OTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTI5MzIxNjMxMg--" style="text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a>
</div>
</div>
<div id="ygrp-grft" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; padding: 15px 0;">
<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
You are a member of the Gothic-L list. To unsubscribe, send a blank email to <gothic-l-unsubscribe@egroups.com>.
<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
</div>
<div id="ygrp-mkp" style="border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; clear: both; float: left; font-family: Arial; margin: 5px 0 10px 0; padding: 0 10px;">
<div id="hd" style="color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0;">MARKETPLACE</div>
<div id="ads" style="margin-bottom: 10px;">
<div class="ad" style="color: #628C2A; font-family: Arial; font-weight: 700; padding: 0 0;">
<p><a href="http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o20ukuj/M=493064.13983314.14041046.13298430/D=groups/S=1705739206:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1293223513/L=f123d744-0f8d-11e0-ada6-1f05947e8e5c/B=PWG4GEwNPVQ-/J=1293216313181859/K=KSFC3w2OMrHLZVId9Fyo5A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj">Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.</a></p> <script language=javascript>
if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object();
window.yzq_d['PWG4GEwNPVQ-']='&U=13cjrv2mg%2fN%3dPWG4GEwNPVQ-%2fC%3d493064.13983314.14041046.13298430%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d6060255%2fV%3d1';
</script><noscript><img width=1 height=1 alt="" src="http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=f123d744-0f8d-11e0-ada6-1f05947e8e5c&T=1cn98ghg3%2fX%3d1293216313%2fE%3d1705739206%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d77159110%2fH%3dY29udGVudD0iUG9kY2FzdHM7RmxpY2tyO1BldHM7R287R2VvY2l0aWVzO0V2ZW50cztHcm91cHM7WWFob29fU2VhcmNoX01hcmtldGluZztXaWRnZXRzO0VkdWNhdGlvbjsiIGRpc2FibGVzaHVmZmxpbmc9IjEiIHNlcnZlSWQ9ImYxMjNkNzQ0LTBmOGQtMTFlMC1hZGE2LTFmMDU5NDdlOGU1YyIgc2l0ZUlkPSI0NDUyNTUxIiB0U3RtcD0iMTI5MzIxNjMxMzE1Nzk2MyIg%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d3B5EC442&U=13cjrv2mg%2fN%3dPWG4GEwNPVQ-%2fC%3d493064.13983314.14041046.13298430%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d6060255%2fV%3d1"></noscript> </div>
<div class="ad" style="color: #628C2A; font-family: Arial; font-weight: 700; padding: 0 0;">
<hr style="border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;">
<p><a href="http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15okif9q1/M=493064.13814537.14041040.10835568/D=groups/S=1705739206:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1293223513/L=f123d744-0f8d-11e0-ada6-1f05947e8e5c/B=PmG4GEwNPVQ-/J=1293216313181859/K=KSFC3w2OMrHLZVId9Fyo5A/A=6260316/R=0/SIG=11bc8n8gt/*http://custom.yahoo.com/fibromyalgiazone/">Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with Fibromyalgia. Visit the Fibromyalgia Zone today!</a></p><script language=javascript>
if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object();
window.yzq_d['PmG4GEwNPVQ-']='&U=13cnnd3g6%2fN%3dPmG4GEwNPVQ-%2fC%3d493064.13814537.14041040.10835568%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d6260316%2fV%3d1';
</script><noscript><img width=1 height=1 alt="" src="http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=f123d744-0f8d-11e0-ada6-1f05947e8e5c&T=1cprkvmb8%2fX%3d1293216313%2fE%3d1705739206%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d3520459805%2fH%3dY29udGVudD0iUG9kY2FzdHM7RmxpY2tyO1BldHM7R287R2VvY2l0aWVzO0V2ZW50cztHcm91cHM7WWFob29fU2VhcmNoX01hcmtldGluZztXaWRnZXRzO0VkdWNhdGlvbjsiIGRpc2FibGVzaHVmZmxpbmc9IjEiIHNlcnZlSWQ9ImYxMjNkNzQ0LTBmOGQtMTFlMC1hZGE2LTFmMDU5NDdlOGU1YyIgc2l0ZUlkPSI0NDUyNTUxIiB0U3RtcD0iMTI5MzIxNjMxMzE1Nzk2MyIg%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d3B5EC442&U=13cnnd3g6%2fN%3dPmG4GEwNPVQ-%2fC%3d493064.13814537.14041040.10835568%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d6260316%2fV%3d1"></noscript> </div>
<div class="ad" style="color: #628C2A; font-family: Arial; font-weight: 700; padding: 0 0;">
<hr style="border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;">
<p><a href="http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15omll9br/M=493064.14012770.13963757.13298430/D=groups/S=1705739206:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1293223513/L=f123d744-0f8d-11e0-ada6-1f05947e8e5c/B=P2G4GEwNPVQ-/J=1293216313181859/K=KSFC3w2OMrHLZVId9Fyo5A/A=6015306/R=0/SIG=11vlkvigg/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesandactivitieszone/">Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests.</a></p><script language=javascript>
if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object();
window.yzq_d['P2G4GEwNPVQ-']='&U=13cmb0enj%2fN%3dP2G4GEwNPVQ-%2fC%3d493064.14012770.13963757.13298430%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d6015306%2fV%3d1';
</script><noscript><img width=1 height=1 alt="" src="http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=f123d744-0f8d-11e0-ada6-1f05947e8e5c&T=1cpsbmags%2fX%3d1293216313%2fE%3d1705739206%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d1052753374%2fH%3dY29udGVudD0iUG9kY2FzdHM7RmxpY2tyO1BldHM7R287R2VvY2l0aWVzO0V2ZW50cztHcm91cHM7WWFob29fU2VhcmNoX01hcmtldGluZztXaWRnZXRzO0VkdWNhdGlvbjsiIGRpc2FibGVzaHVmZmxpbmc9IjEiIHNlcnZlSWQ9ImYxMjNkNzQ0LTBmOGQtMTFlMC1hZGE2LTFmMDU5NDdlOGU1YyIgc2l0ZUlkPSI0NDUyNTUxIiB0U3RtcD0iMTI5MzIxNjMxMzE1Nzk2MyIg%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d3B5EC442&U=13cmb0enj%2fN%3dP2G4GEwNPVQ-%2fC%3d493064.14012770.13963757.13298430%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d6015306%2fV%3d1"></noscript> </div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="ft" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5px; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;">
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbzluNmU0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwMjA1OTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NzM5MjA2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjkzMjE2MzEy" style="float: left;"><img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif" height="15" width="137" alt="Yahoo! Groups" style="border: 0;"/></a>
<div style="color: #747575; float: right;">Switch to: <a href="mailto:gothic-l-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional" style="text-decoration: none;">Text-Only</a>, <a href="mailto:gothic-l-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest" class="margin-rt" style="text-decoration: none;">Daily Digest</a> • <a href="mailto:gothic-l-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe" style="text-decoration: none;">Unsubscribe</a> • <a href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/" style="text-decoration: none;">Terms of Use</a></div>
</div>
<!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
</div> <!-- ygrp-msg -->
<!-- Sponsor -->
<!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
<div id="ygrp-sponsor" style="width:160px; float:right; clear:none; margin:0 0 25px 0; background: #fff;">
<!-- Start Recommendations -->
<div id="ygrp-reco">
</div>
<!-- End Recommendations -->
</div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
<div style="clear:both; color: #FFF; font-size:1px;">.</div>
</div>
<img src="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=1020598/grpspId=1705739206/msgId=10508/stime=1293216312/nc1=5741398/nc2=5522126/nc3=3848641" width="1" height="1"> <br>
<div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__,_._,___</div>
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~-->
</body>
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
<head>
<style type="text/css">
<!--
#ygrp-mkp {
border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
font-family: Arial;
margin: 10px 0;
padding: 0 10px;
}
#ygrp-mkp hr {
border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;
}
#ygrp-mkp #hd {
color: #628c2a;
font-size: 85%;
font-weight: 700;
line-height: 122%;
margin: 10px 0;
}
#ygrp-mkp #ads {
margin-bottom: 10px;
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad {
padding: 0 0;
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad p {
margin: 0;
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad a {
color: #0000ff;
text-decoration: none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc {
font-family: Arial;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd {
margin: 10px 0px;
font-weight: 700;
font-size: 78%;
line-height: 122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad {
margin-bottom: 10px;
padding: 0 0;
}
a {
color: #1e66ae;
}
#actions {
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 11px;
padding: 10px 0;
}
#activity {
background-color: #e0ecee;
float: left;
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 10px;
padding: 10px;
}
#activity span {
font-weight: 700;
}
#activity span:first-child {
text-transform: uppercase;
}
#activity span a {
color: #5085b6;
text-decoration: none;
}
#activity span span {
color: #ff7900;
}
#activity span .underline {
text-decoration: underline;
}
.attach {
clear: both;
display: table;
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 12px;
padding: 10px 0;
width: 400px;
}
.attach div a {
text-decoration: none;
}
.attach img {
border: none;
padding-right: 5px;
}
.attach label {
display: block;
margin-bottom: 5px;
}
.attach label a {
text-decoration: none;
}
blockquote {
margin: 0 0 0 4px;
}
.bold {
font-family: Arial;
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: 700;
}
.bold a {
text-decoration: none;
}
dd.last p a {
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight: 700;
}
dd.last p span {
margin-right: 10px;
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight: 700;
}
dd.last p span.yshortcuts {
margin-right: 0;
}
div.attach-table div div a {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.attach-table {
width: 400px;
}
div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts {
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 10px;
font-weight: normal;
}
.green {
color: #628c2a;
}
.MsoNormal {
margin: 0 0 0 0;
}
o {
font-size: 0;
}
#photos div {
float: left;
width: 72px;
}
#photos div div {
border: 1px solid #666666;
height: 62px;
overflow: hidden;
width: 62px;
}
#photos div label {
color: #666666;
font-size: 10px;
overflow: hidden;
text-align: center;
white-space: nowrap;
width: 64px;
}
#reco-category {
font-size: 77%;
}
#reco-desc {
font-size: 77%;
}
.replbq {
margin: 4px;
}
#ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
/* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/
margin-right: 2px;
padding-right: 5px;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg {
font-size: 13px;
font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif;
*font-size: small;
*font: x-small;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {
font-size: inherit;
font: 100%;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {
font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {
font:115% monospace;
*font-size:100%;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height: 1.22em;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo {
padding-bottom: 10px;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg a {
color: #1E66AE;
}
#ygrp-msg p a {
font-family: Verdana;
}
#ygrp-msg p#attach-count span {
color: #1E66AE;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco #reco-head {
color: #ff7900;
font-weight: 700;
}
#ygrp-reco {
margin-bottom: 20px;
padding: 0px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a {
font-size: 130%;
text-decoration: none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li {
font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul {
margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
}
#ygrp-text {
font-family: Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p {
margin: 0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt {
font-size: 120%;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right: none !important;
}
-->
</style>
</head>
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~-->
</html>
<!-- end group email -->