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<p>You are simply talking about the Balkan Goths. The Visigothic king Alaric came from such a family and also Teoderik was brought up as a giesl in Constantinople. Already when the Huns attacked in 375 the ruling king of the Ostrogoths was forced to flee to Roman soil with his bodyguard after his uncle made a coup and took the kingship as petty king under the Huns. Since then there were two competing Ostrogothic dynasties.<br>
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Ingemar<br>
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--- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>, OSCAR HERRE <duke.co@...> wrote:<br>
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> they were empowered to take part in better living conditions that the romans offered......also think most of the west areas of the provinces of the roman provinces were predominately germanic by 375 ad.......<br>
> <br>
> --- On Tue, 7/26/11, OSCAR HERRE <duke.co@...> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: OSCAR HERRE <duke.co@...><br>
> Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Selection of Sucessor High-Judge<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 10:48 AM<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Â <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> sorry that there were established gothic colonies living in the roman provinces......<br>
> <br>
> --- On Tue, 7/26/11, OSCAR HERRE <duke.co@...> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> From: OSCAR HERRE <duke.co@...><br>
> Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Selection of Sucessor High-Judge<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 10:45 AM<br>
> <br>
> Â <br>
> <br>
> is it documented when fritigern took haven on the roman side, that that was the gothic prelude to invading rome......i saw documentaries that there were gothic immigrants living in the new and moved roman capitol.......<br>
> <br>
> --- On Tue, 7/26/11, J. C. Smith ispán <JSmithCSA@...> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> From: J. C. Smith ispán <JSmithCSA@...><br>
> Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Selection of Sucessor High-Judge<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 8:02 AM<br>
> <br>
> Â <br>
> <br>
> You're welcome -- I'm glad they are helpful to you.<br>
> <br>
> JS<br>
> Â <br>
> JEFFREY C. SMITH Ispán <br>
> Â <br>
> "I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I lock every other <br>
> one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they <br>
> are always locking three."Â -- Elayne Boosler <br>
> <br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Thomas Chelmowski <the_lothian@...><br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Tue, July 26, 2011 8:50:05 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Selection of Sucessor High-Judge<br>
> <br>
> Â <br>
> Dear JC Smith,<br>
> <br>
> This is great. Thank you very much. Both of those books will be on my book <br>
> shelf soon.<br>
> <br>
> Tom<br>
> <br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: J. C. Smith ispán <JSmithCSA@...><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:10 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Selection of Sucessor High-Judge<br>
> <br>
> Â <br>
> Hi there,<br>
> <br>
> I'm no expert, but found these references:<br>
> <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=xsQxcJvaLjAC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=high+judge+goths&source=bl&ots=cWwmE3QjO2&sig=KS0JsKt-1F76KsAPNC3FQTmQzW0&hl=en&ei=Ii8uToveO87dgQf649ylAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=judge&f=false">http://books.google.com/books?id=xsQxcJvaLjAC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=high+judge+goths&source=bl&ots=cWwmE3QjO2&sig=KS0JsKt-1F76KsAPNC3FQTmQzW0&hl=en&ei=Ii8uToveO87dgQf649ylAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=judge&f=false</a><br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=xsQxcJvaLjAC&pg=PA95&dq=high+judge+goths&hl=en&ei=jy8uTpmQOqmp0AGUw6GjAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=high%20judge%20goths&f=false">http://books.google.com/books?id=xsQxcJvaLjAC&pg=PA95&dq=high+judge+goths&hl=en&ei=jy8uTpmQOqmp0AGUw6GjAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=high%20judge%20goths&f=false</a><br>
> <br>
> I think it may help you understand the judgeship of the Goths.<br>
> <br>
> Jeff<br>
> Â <br>
> JEFFREY C. SMITH Ispán <br>
> Â <br>
> "I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I lock every other <br>
> one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they <br>
> are always locking three."Â -- Elayne Boosler <br>
> <br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Thomas Chelmowski <the_lothian@...><br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>
> Cc: "storyteller@..." <storyteller@...><br>
> Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 10:50:37 PM<br>
> Subject: [gothic-l] Selection of Sucessor High-Judge<br>
> <br>
> Â <br>
> I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me.<br>
> <br>
> I think I am right in stating that the Danubian Goths had no King. They had <br>
> instead a high-judge.<br>
> <br>
> My guess is that this position was not hereditary, and when one judge stepped <br>
> down or died, another was chosen.<br>
> <br>
> My question is, can someone either tell me or direct me to some source, that <br>
> would explain how were they chosen, and what was the process of selection and <br>
> confirmation?<br>
> <br>
> Thank you guys very much.<br>
> <br>
> Tom<br>
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