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<p>Dear Ingemar,<br>
No,it was not in use before the Visigoths became <br>
catholics, and some suppose that it was introduced <br>
by Chindasvinth. But José Orlandis already refers to <br>
a citation of unctioned bishops and kings in <br>
Isidore's De rebus ecclesiasticis before 631 C.E. <br>
and thought it probable that already Liuva II, the <br>
son of Reccared, was unctioned.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Andreas<br>
<br>
"-"<br>
ao.Univ.Prof.Dr.Andreas Schwarcz<br>
Institut für österreichische Geschichtsforschung<br>
Universität Wien<br>
Dr.Karl Lueger-Ring 1<br>
A 1010 Wien<br>
Austria<br>
Tel.0043/1/42-77-272-16<br>
Fax 0043/1/42-77-92-72<br>
<a href="mailto:andreas.schwarcz%40univie.ac.at">andreas.schwarcz@univie.ac.at</a><br>
<br>
On 12 Feb 2012 at 17:59, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:<br>
<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Hi Andreas!<br>
> <br>
> I did not grasp the meaning of unction but now I have checked. I should <br>
> have done it before of course. Still it is evidently a ceremonie that <br>
> was not in use in Arian times as far as I grasp.<br>
> <br>
> Best wishes<br>
> Ingemar<br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>, "Andreas Schwarcz" <br>
> <andreas.schwarcz@...> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Wamba was indeed the first king of the Visigoths for <br>
> > whom the ceremony of unction is expressedly <br>
> > attested, but alreeady the canones of the IVth <br>
> > council of Toledo in 633 imply that the kings were <br>
> > unctioned as part of their accession to the throne <br>
> > after the example of king David.<br>
> > <br>
> > All the best,<br>
> > Andreas<br>
> > <br>
> > "-"<br>
> > ao.Univ.Prof.Dr.Andreas Schwarcz<br>
> > Institut für österreichische Geschichtsforschung<br>
> > Universität Wien<br>
> > Dr.Karl Lueger-Ring 1<br>
> > A 1010 Wien<br>
> > Austria<br>
> > Tel.0043/1/42-77-272-16<br>
> > Fax 0043/1/42-77-92-72<br>
> > andreas.schwarcz@...<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > On 12 Feb 2012 at 12:29, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > There are several legends about Wamba and it is definitely not the <br>
> usual <br>
> > > way a Visigothic king was appointed. Some details even seem to be <br>
> part <br>
> > > of the trubadour tradition from Provence which later continues in <br>
> the <br>
> > > stories of King Arthur like the hunt of the hind. Also in the <br>
> Didriks <br>
> > > saga the same story of the hunt is recognizeable and it has as well <br>
> > > roots in the Bysantine tradition. I would pay no heed to that <br>
> story.This <br>
> > > was as well late in the Visigothic era and the kings now, since <br>
> Reccared <br>
> > > had claimed to be king of Gods grace, were Catholic and not Arian <br>
> and <br>
> > > the church had a strong position with the very conservative Catholic <br>
> > > Councils in Toledo persecuting both Arians and Jews. A saintly king <br>
> > > suited well into the picture. <br>
> > > <br>
> > > Welcome to the list. I as well hope we can discuss much history and <br>
> not <br>
> > > only language. It is a little peculiar that we discuss much more <br>
> Gothic <br>
> > > history on Germanic list than on Gothic where it indeed should be <br>
> > > discussed.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Best greetings<br>
> > > Ingemar<br>
> > > <br>
> > > --- In <a href="mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>, "indiejones46" <indiana.jones465@> <br>
> > > wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Hi,<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > I am new to this group and first wanted to introduce myself.<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > My name is Alex and i am interested in Gothic history (especially <br>
> > > after reading a book on Alaric the Great). I have a background in <br>
> > > archaeology (degree) and attend excavations in my spare time.<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > I feel i am just starting out on learning about the 'Goth's' and <br>
> find <br>
> > > this Forum useful. So thank you.<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > I wondered if i could throw out a question that has been <br>
> intriguing me <br>
> > > since i read about this. This is the 'unction' (right word?) of <br>
> Wamba <br>
> > > into a King. Is this the first king of the Visigothic race who was <br>
> > > 'crowned' in this way? The description i read of the ceremonial rite <br>
> > > seems exceedingly strange.<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Does anyone here have a view on this? <br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > I would be most interested in discussing this further, of course, <br>
> if <br>
> > > others wish to as well.<br>
> > > > <br>
> > > > Alex<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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