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<p><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div class><span class>OHG and Old English are well researched and all over the etymological dictionaries but what made many of us interested in Gothic in the first place, was our own language's surprisingly many cognates. I guess it is hard to find a word which was only preserved in OHG and Gothic. The Swedish Etymological Wordbook has this under "moder". I translate:</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class><span class><br class></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class><span class>Gothic has instead aiđžei = OHG eidĂź, cmp. runic Sw. aiđžu KĂ€rnbo and Finnish loanword Ă€iti (about which most recently Ojansuu Neuphil. Mitteil. 19:58)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class><span class><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class><span class>(Can you see the thorn-signs in the above text, btw?)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color:
transparent;font-style: normal;" class><span class><br class></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class>It seems to me these issues are important for getting the project going:</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class>1. Ensure the results of our work are properly mirrored, licensed and back-upped.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class>2. Find a balance between reference languages that is acceptable to all.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class>3. Limit the pace of work so that the few of us who know grammar will have time to correct the most painful errors before they gain broad usage.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class>4. Automate part of the decision-making process so the committee/mailing-list will not have to discuss everything but only the cases where someone disagrees with the computer.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class><br class></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class>If you are still around Roelingua, feel free to pick the nice parts of my ideas if there are any. :)</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class><span class><br class></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size: 13px;font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;background-color: transparent;font-style: normal;" class><span class> </span><span style="letter-spacing: 0px;font-family: Helvetica;font-size: 11px;" class>RFC-gothic-l-2014-05-26: Point-based Gothic
Reconstruction Adviser</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>1. A point-based evaluation is a complement to a manual approval process and a decision by a committee will take precedence over the verdict by this reconstruction adviser. Over the course of many decisions, the adviser will help a committee stay objective with regard to the balance of polation. It will also alleviate their work load so preliminary judgement will be passed automatically when members of the committee are occupied.</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>2. The reconstruction adviser should be implemented as a server-side application where many contributors can supply attestations and where software handles the evaluation.</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>3. The more points a lemma gets, the more likely it is Gothic. By using a threshold, sufficiently Gothic words may be singled out for inclusion in a lexicon.</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>4. We aim to recreate the Moeso-Gothic of year 350 Anno Domini.</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>5. Expressions from scriptures written in Wulfilan script and dated prior to 1000 AD are
considered Gothic regardless of points.</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>6. Related languages are distributed in zones according to appendix A. This is so that geographical and historical connectedness will be accounted for.</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>7. Points get awarded according to:</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>P = SUM [x=1 to 7 of language zones]( SUM [y=1 to a of
attestations sorted by age] ( A(y)^y))</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>where A(y) is the number of points awarded to an attestation according to:</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>A(y) = 1.000001^(-ABS(year_of_attest_AD - 350_AD)^2)</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family:
Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>ABS() is the absolute value, so that it returns the time-distance in years from AD 350. A(y) will return a value just below 1 for attestations close to 350 AD and 0.368.. for attestations from year 1350 AD or 650 BC. A(y)^y will ensure that additional attests give points but fewer and fewer. "sorted by age" means, the ones closer to 350 AD will come earlier and have more weight. </span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Points awarded one form of an expression should affect the other forms to the extent their connection has been established.</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Appendix A</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 1. OLD INDOEUROPEAN</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Sanskrit, Tocharian, Sogdian</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 2. SEMITIC & CLASSIC</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Aramaic, Phoenician, Classical Latin, Homeric - Koine Greek</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 3. NORTH-WESTERN</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Old Irish, Old English, Old West Norse (Icelandic, Norweigan, Faroese)</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 4. WEST GERMANIC</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Frisian, Dutch, Low German</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 5. EAST-NORDIC & BALTIC</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Gutnish, Scanian, Elfdalian, Samogitic, Old Swedish</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 6. OHG</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Old High German</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 7. SLAVIC</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>OCS, Old Slovenian, Russian</span></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;min-height: 13px;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class></span><br class></div><div style="font-size: 11px;font-family: Helvetica;" class><span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px;" class>Zone 8. OTHER</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;" class>
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<div dir="ltr" class> <font face="Arial" class> On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:05 AM, "OSCAR HERRE <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:duke.co@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:duke.co@sbcglobal.net" class>duke.co@sbcglobal.net</a> [gothic-l]" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" class>gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class><br clear="none" class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class>1) Gothic <i class>fadar </i>is indeed extant only once (Gal.4,6):</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class><br clear="none" class>
</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class> insandida guth ahman sunaus seinis in hairtona izwara hropjandan 'Abba! Fadar!'</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class><i class>"God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying 'Abba! Father!'</i> </span></div>
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original -- exotic Aramaic word 'abba', which is perhaps an indication that the word <i class>fadar</i> itself was perhaps felt to be exotic as well, either an archaic word or a borrowing from another Germanic dialect. Of course, the root <i class>fadr-</i> is also found in the Gothic word <i class>fadreins</i>, glossing Greek/Latin <i class>patria</i>, but this could possibly be an instance of a "cranberry" morpheme in Gothic (cf. Mod. English <i class>were-</i> in <i class>werewolf</i>).</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><br clear="none" class></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class>2) Even with
the knowledge of OHG <i class>eide</i>, the cognates OE <i class>athum</i>, OFris <i class>athom</i>, OHG <i class>eidum</i> 'son-in-law' complicate matters. According to Lehmann, <i class>aithei</i> is a derivative, like the other forms given here, from Pre-Germanic *<i class>oit-</i>, the source also of <i class>aiths</i> 'oath'. Lehmann (1986: 20) suggests that <i class>aithei</i> was originally "a Germanic word for woman given by legal process to a man; carries implication that children of <i class>aithei</i> would inherit in contrast with those of concubine". Given the foregoing forms, reconstructing a Gothic <i class>aithei</i> (were the noun not extant) would still be far from obvious.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><br clear="none" class></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class>3) As to Icelandic language purism, there is an official governmental organization called the -- sorry no accents -- <i class>Islensk
Malnefnd</i> ('Icelandic Language Commission'), not to mention many professional societies which have their own language committees, that meet regularly to discuss proposed neologisms especially in the fields of science and technology. Modern Icelandic <i class>simi</i> 'telephone', to give an example of their work, is simply an Old Norse word revived ('rope') with a new meaning. But these organizations, of course, are not attempting to reconstruct earlier forms of non-extant Norse lexical items and so have unlimited freedom in the invention of words. Alas! Something lacking in the English-speaking world, thanks to its fixation on the Graeco-Latin!</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><div class><span class>Dirk and everybody,</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><br clear="none" class><span class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class>All of Edmund's points are well taken indeed. The Gothic corpus that we have preserves 45 instances of 'aithei', including Nom., Acc., Dat., Gen. forms in the singular, and Acc. plural. The number of occurrences of *modar is *zero*. <br clear="none" class>
</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class><br clear="none" class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class>Our best bet for deciding which form "the Goths" would have used is to query Gothic as it is actually preserved (i.e., Wulfila's Bible). Even if some Goths (some sub-dialects, some regions?) had a word like *modar, what we have
attested is 'aithei'. If we are so attracted to 'modar' due to its similarity to our modern cognates, then it seems that we are embarking on something other than recovering/reestablishing Gothic; rather, we are making up sort of a pan-Germanic lingo that might be fun but shouldn't be
called Gothic. (Similar sentiments apply to recent comments about 'wreitan' (sp?) for 'write'
versus [attested] meljan.)<br clear="none" class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><br clear="none" class><span class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class>It is interesting that there are a couple hundred (I believe) examples of 'atta' as father; but in keeping perhaps with Dirk's suggestion, there is indeed *one* example of 'fadar' in Wulfila. The Gothic word for father seems to have been 'atta', but with the lexical item of 'fadar' lurking in the recesses of at least some Goths' minds - ?<br clear="none" class>
<span class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class><br clear="none" class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class>I appreciated the point a few messages ago about the restoration/enhancement of Hebrew in the 20th century in Israel; it is true, an ancient language was revamped and modernized to become a
major world vernacular. But of course, the Hebrew example had a large worldwide population of (mostly) Jews, coming together as a group with a shared identity in a specific region (Palestine); in other words, all the makings for a major linguistic coup, combining a traditional holy tongue with modernity. We Gothic fans, however, alas, are quite a ways from anything like that. We are reveling in the
fact that there are a few like-minded individuals out there at least in the world of
the internet. I am wondering how familiar any of y'all are with the process by which Modern Icelandic has dealt with new words (including technological, scientific, etc.)--I understand that they have a process of creating "natively" Icelandic versions of said new words. <br clear="none" class>
</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class><br clear="none" class></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class>Comments offered in all good fun and best wishes -</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);" class><span class>David <br clear="none" class>
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Monday, May 26, 2014 3:48 PM<br clear="none" class> <b class><span style="font-weight:bold;" class>Subject:</span></b> Re: [gothic-l] Reconstructing Gothic<br clear="none" class> </font> </div> <div class><br clear="none" class><div class><div class>
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<div class>Hi Edmund,</div><div class><br clear="none" class></div><div class>your point regarding Gothic aithei (mother) is well taken and valid. However, just to add Old High German also preserved this form as "eide" meaning mother (in a certain legal context) and "fotar eidi" meaning nurse, i.e. woman nursing a child.</div>
<div class>The problem would have been to decide which form the Goths would have used. My guess is that they also had a world like *modar, but it was simply not recorded.</div><div class><br clear="none" class></div><div class>Best</div><div class>Dirk</div>
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