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<p><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>"I believe in God the Father Almighty."</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>In a version of the Nicean Treatise of 318 bishops year 325 CE, it says "Credimus in unum Deum.." - *we* believe (Socrates Scolasticus). I think an Arian would have seen the declarations as treatises and not as creeds for individual laymen. What do you think? Maybe:</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>"We believe in one God, Father almighty,"</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> "And in Jesus Christ, His only Son,
our Lord;"</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>Here we need to supply "begotten" or some such word because a whole lot of people are considered sons of God through adoption. See Romans 8:14. Or we could just leave out "His only son".</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> "Who was born of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary;"</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>The Nicean treatise has "filium Dei, natum de Patre hoc est". I doubt if an Arian would substitute holy spirit for The Father.</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> "Crucified under Pontius Pilate and buried;</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> The third day He rose from the dead; </div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> He ascended into heaven, </div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> Sits at the right hand of the Father, </div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> Thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. </div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> And in the Holy Ghost;"</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>Fine! :)</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> "The holy Church;"</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>Though this is in English and the English use the definite article a lot, it may be a more Gothic way of thinking about biblical concepts, to express them non-exclusively. So:</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"Forgiveness of sins; </span></div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class><span class></span></div><div class><span class></span></div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class> Restoration of the flesh."</div><div style="font-family: Georgia;" class>/Basti</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size: 10pt;" class> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size: 12pt;" class> <div dir="ltr" class> <font size="2" face="Arial" class> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:46 PM, "fredkbest@gmail.com [gothic-l]" <gothic-l@yahoogroups.com> wrote:<br class> </font> </div> <br class><br class> <div class><div id="yiv6410324695" class><div class>
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<div id="yiv6410324695ygrps-yiv-959118444" class><span title="ireply" class>> </span>That said, a better choice might be the creed of Auxentius, one of the creeds of the councils such as the creed of Constantinople of 360, or one of the creeds opponents of Nicaea cited as traditional creeds.</div>
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<div class>I am using a variant of the creed of Auxentius (Ulfilas) as part of the Arian homily in the novel. The creed of Constantinople was created in response to Arianism, so I am using it for the Catholic Priests. I used the creeds that opponents of Nicaea cited as traditional creeds as the basis for my created creed.</div>
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<div class>I then made the derived creed seem more Gothic by using English words that are of Germanic origin when possible. </div>
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<div class>For example, the traditional creeds use Holy Spirit [ From Middle English spirit, from Old French espirit (“spirit”), from Latin spīritus (“breath; spirit”) ]. </div>
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<div class>I used Holy Ghost [ From Middle English gost, gast, from Old English gāst (“breath, soul, spirit, ghost, being”), from Proto-Germanic *gaistaz (“ghost, spirit”) ].</div></div>
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