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<p><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello Edmund,<br><br>Your answer is helpful. The rephrasing is something I already do. For example I used 'witodalaus atgaggan' for hacking, as it is breaking the law to get into a system, it looked like a good way to phrase it to me and spying is which I translated as ' . Of course Wulfila used neologisms too and what this basically is is Wulfilan Gothic, we can claim that my website is how Goths spoke and they would definitely be able to understand it up to a certain extent, but Wulfila added a lot of words etc. to Gothic which originally weren't present there, so the Gothic which we use is already a partly invented language, just as people invented words for modern Hebrew to make it appropriate to this time but instead of a natural process made it up themselves, we do the same with Gothic here in this case, what I do is everything but a natural process and this is some kind of modern Gothic, but it isn't a natural process. spying is translated as<i> 'analaugniba biniuhsjan' , to look into something very good in secret.</i><span class><span style="font-size:12pt;"></span></span> A problem though is that if I have to describe everything the articles might become too long and it might take me too long to write, this is why I use existing neologisms like siukahus to make them readable and not too exhaustive to write. There are also words like 'Turkey' for which I simply have to use 'Taurkja', I can't use anything else than to use this as I can't use alternatives to describe it.<br>
<br></div><div><br>I didn't know this history of international though, I might consider your alternative.<br><br></div><div>Roel<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-28 23:07 GMT+02:00 <a href="mailto:edmundfairfax@yahoo.ca">edmundfairfax@yahoo.ca</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<p>Dear Gerry,</p><div><br></div><div>I think you are certainly on the right track.</div><div><br></div><div>The word 'international' is apparently a modern coinage: the earliest attestation of the word in English comes from the late eighteenth century, according to the OED, and my French etymological dictionary gives the nineteenth century for the same word in French. Classical Latin, and as far as I can tell, Ancient Greek had no such word.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The concept was captured in Classical Latin by using the genitive plural of the word 'gens' ('nation, race, people, tribe'); thus 'international law' would be 'ius gentium,' literally 'law of nations.'</div>
<div><br></div><div>It seems to me that this would be a better model to follow for Gothic, rather than the modern languages. Thus 'international law' would accordingly be rendered in Gothic as 'witoth thiudo,' again 'law of nations/peoples.'</div>
<div><br></div><div>Judging from its use in the Bible translation, Gothic 'thiuda' appears to correspond well to Latin 'gens' in meaning, at least in this particular aspect: a group of people that share a common cultural, political, linguistic, etc. background (cf. OE 'theod,' ON 'thjoth,' OHG 'thiota').</div>
<div><br></div><div>The more that neologisms are resorted to in attempting to write in Gothic, the less Gothic it becomes, and you end up with a mishmash of real Gothic and a Tolkienesque invented language. It is best to work with the limited word-hoard that is extant and simply rephrase to avoid fantastical creations.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Edmund</div><p></p>
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