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<p><div dir="ltr">So what do you recommend Marja? Should we develop a Gothic liturgy first, based on what's left of the ancient tradition, and look which churches offer space? Most churches nowadays are empty and actually often get used for non-religious purposes. I think that there have to be churches which, in exchange for a certain amount of money, would like to offer us their space for some services. I read here: "<span style="font-size:13px;">If we’re tryng to develop a Gothic liturgy for an existing church", I don't think that anyone of us is capable of actually building a church. I recommend that we indeed use an existing church, because we can't pay it to build a church somewhere for our purpose. We can either use an ancient place which the Goths used, but as our members are divided over Middle- and Northern Europe and some are in America, this would make it highly problematic to even organize Church services which everyone can attend, because it's not practical for some people in Sweden with interest, one from the Netherlands, someone from Austria etc. to go to Southern Europe regularly for this. I recommend that we either look for a way to implent these services in different parts of both America and Europe if we really want to go on with this plan, which at the moment is unrealistic, or that we choose a central place, one in Europe and one in America to do this. Why Europe and America? Because these are the 2 continents where the contributors of our Gothic community come from.</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-23 20:02 GMT+01:00 Marja Erwin <a href="mailto:marja-e@riseup.net">marja-e@riseup.net</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;">I think that’s putting the cart before the horse here.<br>
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If we’re trying to reconstruct the original liturgies, we ought to get all the help we can, but accept that the reconstructed liturgies might not be acceptable for any existing church, includng the Arian church.<br>
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(I think Arius supported the homoiousios, while some interpretations of the Skeireins condemn the homoiousios.)<br>
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If we’re tryng to develop a Gothic liturgy for an existing church, or set of churches, that poses different challenges.<br>
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