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<p><div dir="ltr">I just finished the 2nd part of the first letter of John:<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>1. Barna meina, melja þos waihts, ei ni frawaurkeiþ. Jah iþ ƕas izwar frawaurkida, Faurarodeins bi Attan habam, Iesu Xristu, Garaihtana;</div><div>2. Jah is grafriþons frawaurhte unsaraizo ist; jah ni þatainei frawaurhtim unsaraim, ak jah frawaurhtim fairƕaus.</div><div>3. In þis kunnam, ei kunþedeima Ina, swaswe anabusneis seins gafastam.</div><div>4. Saei qiþiþ: Kunna Ina, miþþanei anabusneis seinos ni gafastiþ, liugnja ist, in imma sunja nist;</div><div>5. Iþ saei Waurd Is gafastiþ, frijaþwa Gudis in imma gafullo warþ; in þis kunnam, ei sijaima in Imma.</div><div>6. Saei qiþiþ, ei þairhleiþai in Imma, skal silban þamma haidau gaggan, swaswe Is gaiddja.</div><div>7. Broþruns! Ni melja izwis niuja anabusn, ak alþa anabusn, soei fram anastodeina habaideduþ; so alþo anabusn waurd ist, þatei fram anastodeina hausideduþ.</div><div>8. Aftra melja izwis niuja anabusn: saei in Imma sunjein ist, sunjeins in izwis wairþai; unte riqiza andeiþ, jah sunjein liuhaþ nu skeiniþ.</div><div>9. Saei qiþiþ, ei in liuhada sijai, jah broþar seinana fijaiþ, sa ist in riqiza and hita nu.</div><div>10. Saei frijoþ broþar seins, in liuhada þairhleiþiþ, jah ni gamarzeiþ.</div><div>11. Aþþan saei fijaiþ broþar seinana, in riqiza ist, jah gaggiþ in riqiza, jah ni wait, ƕadre gaggiþ; unte riqiza blindida augona seina.</div><div>12. Melja izwis, barna, unte frawaurhtans afletanos izwis in Namin Seinamma. </div><div>13. Melja izwis, attans! Unte gakunþeduþ Ina, Saei ist fram anastodeina. Melja izwis, juggalauþeis, ubils auk gajiukaideduþ. Melja izwis, barna, unte gakunþeduþ Attan.</div><div>14. Melida izwis, attans, unte Ina gakunþeduþ, Saei ist fram anastodeina. Melja izwis, juggalauþa, unte swinþa sijuþ, jah Waurd Gudis in izwis þairhleiþiþ, jah jus ubila gajiukaideduþ.</div><div>15. Ni frijoþ fairƕu, nih saei in fairƕau; iþ ƕas fairƕu frijoþ, frijaþwa Attans in imma nist.</div><div>16. Unte als in þamma fairƕau, auk gairnei leikis, jah gairnei augone, jah mikilduþs libainis, us Attin nist, ak us fairƕau.</div><div>17. Jah fairƕus andeiþ, jah gairnei ijos; aþþan saei wilja Attins taujiþ, in aiwin þairhleiþiþ.</div><div>18. Barna, aftumisto mel ist; jah swaswe hausideduþ, ei anti-xristus qimiþ,</div><div>nu filu manne anti-xristjus waurþunuh; in þis kunnam, ei aftumisto mel sijai.</div><div>19. Fram us skaididedun, iþ ni wesun us uns; iþ auk us uns wesun, miþ uns þairhliþun; akei þata warþ, ei swikunþa waurþun, ei ni als us uns sijaina.</div><div>20. Iþ balsan hailagins habaiþ, jah ƕazuh wituþ.</div><div>21. Ni melida izwis, ei sunja ni wituþ, iþ ei þo wituþ, unte ni galiug us sunjai qimiþuh. </div><div>22. ƕas ist liugnja, saei andsakiþ, ei Ïesus Xristus sijai? Sa anti-xristus ist, saei Attan jah Sunu andsakiþ.</div><div>23. Saei Sunus andsakiþ, nih Attan habaiþ.</div><div>24. ƕa jus fram anastodeina hausideduþ, in izwis þairhleiþiþ. Iþ in izwis þairhleiþiþ, þatei fram anastodeina hausideduþ, swa in Sunau jah Attin þairhleiþaiþ.</div><div>25. Jah so ist anabusns, soei du Uns gaf, aiweino libain.</div><div>26. þata melida izwis fram þaim, þoei afairzjand izwis.</div><div>27. Jah balsan, þatei fram Imma andnemuþ, in izwis þairhleiþiþ, jah ni þarfst laisjan ƕarjammeh; iþ swaswe samaleik izwis bi ƕazuh talzeiþ, sunjainuh ist, jah galiug nist; jah swaswe izwis talzida, in imma þairhleiþaiþ. </div><div>28.Nu, barna, þairhleiþaiþ in Imma; ei, iþ Is andhulida, gadaursam jah ni gaskamam uns þairh ina in Anawairþa Seinamma.</div><div>29. Iþ wituþ, ei garaihta sijai, wituþ, ei ƕarjizuh, saei garaihtei taujiþ, fram Imma warþ.</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1 John 1 - completed</div><div>1 John 2 - Completed</div><div>1 John 3 - 0%</div><div>1 John 4 - 0% </div><div>1 John 5 - 0%</div><div><br></div><div>2 John - Completed</div><div>3 John - Completed</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-24 0:56 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roellingua@gmail.com" target="_blank">roellingua@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><div dir="ltr">We can always try to fix these issues by changing the text from Matthew or by making multiple versions. </div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-24 0:47 GMT+01:00 Weidemyr Basti <a href="mailto:setiez@yahoo.com" target="_blank">setiez@yahoo.com</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;">
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<div></div><div dir="ltr">But what Wulfila did was translating those Bible texts for an Arian church, not for a Catholic one. Wulfila was Arian and not Catholic so maybe it doesn't line up with the scriptures in your religious view, but it did for the Goths.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>As for the Trinity, I say this as an agnostic person (with interest in religion, therefore I would still be interested in attending masses in Gothic), but the Trinity is a concept which originates from pagan beliefs.</div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>2014-12-23 23:17 GMT+01:00 <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:write2andy@yahoo.com" target="_blank">write2andy@yahoo.com</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><div><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;">
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<div>It just doesn't line up with the scriptures. I'd go, but I just have to say I disagree with it. I'm not exactly a Roman Catholic either, but I believe in the Trinity.</div>
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