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<p><div dir="ltr">There might be one problem with my translations. I use a Greek and English polyglot dictionary for my translations, but I almost know nothing about Greek, just a few simple things. Is it still ok for me to translate and could you maybe look into which words could better be replaced with something else?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-06 16:12 GMT+01:00 Weidemyr Basti <a href="mailto:setiez@yahoo.com">setiez@yahoo.com</a> [gothic-l] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gothic-l@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">gothic-l@yahoogroups.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;">
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<p></p><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr">anheropl0x:</div><span class><div dir="ltr">> For your translation there, might I ask why you have "habands" in there?</div><div dir="ltr">> It is a present participle, which Wulfila was indeed fond of </div><div dir="ltr">> using, but there was still usually a finite verb within a given sentence.</div><div dir="ltr">> It seems though you do not have one.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></span><div dir="ltr">Me:</div><div dir="ltr">Yes, verse 8 is just the first clause of the sentence and the finite verb is "bidja" in verse 9. "Habands" translate the Greek present participle "exwn". However, I think you placed the nail pretty close to a mistake because I really shouldn't use a personal pronoun (ik) with the participle. After deleting "ik" it seems fine to me:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Ïnuh þis habands mikila balþein in xristau anabiudan þus þatei gadof ist þairh friatya haldis · Bidja syaleiks Paylus framaldrs iþ nu jah bandja xristaus Ïesuis · Bidja þus faur barn mein þata ussatida in bandjom *Onaisimu þana saei þus yas *unbruks iþ nu þus jah mis bruks þanuh insandida ·</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I agree with your suggestion about using instrumental dative. It would have been an elegant solution if the sense of the Greek text had permitted it. What is commanded is accusative in the Greek, similar to preserved 1 Tim 4:11: "Anabiud þata jah laisei."</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">anheropl0x:</div><span class><div dir="ltr">> For instance, if you wished to preserve the subjunctive wording in the first half</div><div dir="ltr">> of the translation, you could very well stick closer to your initial translation, and have:</div><div dir="ltr">> Ïnuh þis ïk habau mikila balþein ïn Xristau anabiudan þus þatei/þammei gadof ïst</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></span><div dir="ltr">Me:</div><div dir="ltr">Did I use subjunctive somewhere? :)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">anheropl0x:</div><span class><div dir="ltr">> Also, I'm not 100% sure at the moment, but maybe we could look into another word/phrase for "therefore".</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></span><div dir="ltr">Yes, I looked around to see what Greek "Διὸ" was usually translated into and it was "Ïnuh þis" in Gothic and a whole lot of conjunctions in English: "Therefore", "Wherefore", "That is why", "Accordingly", "For this reason" a s o. Since the translation is from Greek to Gothic directly, I think it is ok to paraphrase a little in the tooltip-text.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks great for the help! Now, it feels less like fumbling in a dark room, though I am sure you could help me find an addidtional 2-7 mistakes in the rest of my translation. :)</div> <div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Btw, it would be nice to hear what you think about punctuation. Project Wulfila uses modern style but I went for something more similar to the Silverbible, except I used dubble-dots for question-mark and paragraph, to enhance readability. That is a bit anachronistic.</div><div dir="ltr"><br>/Basti<span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-size:1px;font-family:Arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;">.</span><br></div><div><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div><div>
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